QABALISTICA PT 2: Secret Names, Sacred Vibration, and the Architecture of Becoming

20:56sponsorship from Rome, right, the biggest organization in the world, how could you talk about leaving materiality? How could you talk about not worshiping gold? How could you talk about, you know, bowing to no one but Christ? You could not put that in Roman Catholicism. It had there had you look even now it says they never translated the word mammon. When Christ says you cannot serve two masters, you cannot serve God and mammon. Mammonus was money but they didn't translate that because how can

21:34you have a place like the Vatican which is covered in gold leaf and say you can't worship God and money you know. So it essentially the priests at that time who were making those decisions the the the bishops and the clerical authorities they were giving in to the clifodic that you know the belief in the material illusion and that's just what happens little by little every day it happens to all of us do I do the thing that's that makes sense in terms of my financial and physical life or do I do the thing that

22:06makes sense in terms of of my spiritual life and a lot of people make a lot of [ __ ] money telling you you can do both, you know, that prosperity gospel horseshit. Christ and they're all they're pulling from they're pulling from the demi-urgic stuff, you know, um the contractual stuff. Those like guys like Dave Ramsey, they'll they'll quote to the nth degree the Old Testament because it's it's, you know, it's it's got great sound advice for money. But what they never talk about is when

22:34Christ said it is easier for a rich for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. It they don't want to talk about that. Yeah. — So So and that's why really — Christ was not talking about the same God or gods as uh as in the Old Testament. He came to to deliver a new dispensation which is what made him special. And we could have some vestage of that as a formalized religion had these things not been excluded. Had they not taken the money, right? Don't take

23:06the money. — Don't take the money. Um, okay. So, Ben, uh, one definition, son. Two, a title of Tifferth. Three, the secret word of the world of absolute. — Um, my question and They're all They're all called Ben because they all mean son. — Oh, okay. And so my one question was I think I've come across a couple other things and they say the secret word of so on and so forth. What's up with that? What's the secret word? Um and what's the utility of that?

23:46— Um I tend to look at the secret word. I mean this is this is a subject of capital Q cabalistic exigesis that that um that Mathers kind of goes over a little bit but typically right Norvon Rosenroth delineated it in his cabala de nudatada which which um Mats translated at the behest of Wescott Wescott told him you know you're pretty promising I why don't you translate this and so Mathers went and did it and it started him off on this whole kind of cabalistic obsession that lasted arguably for the

24:18of his life. But but Wescott was the real he was obsessed with cabalism. He took a 2-year uh retirement or hiatus from his job as city corner of London to lock himself in his townhouse and just study the cabala. So uh but um uh apparently they're like, you know, they're secret names obviously. Uh you've got alb uh which is really to me it it has connotations of father aba um which makes sense because it's the the the the secret name of atiluth the divine noose or mind um and which

25:01generates you know all the impulses of of of creation. uh but that that is translated as the concealed. Then you have seg which trans which is the the the briatic secret name the secret name of Bria which means the exalted. Then you have ma which is the secret name of yet the which gets translated as the incomprehensible and then you have Ben which is the secret name of Malc. So again it's kind of this interesting mantra like stuff you know highly uh you know vibratory in in in in just being

25:41monoselabic and and kind of being you know there's there's a strong vowel in the center of each of those words. That's how I kind of apply it. And um — it's like the heart of the meaning of it or something along those lines. — Yeah. And but the thing is it's essentially the secret names are telling you something about the nature of each of the four worlds because the na the secret names are are corresponded to the four worlds which are further corresponded to the four carobam which

26:11are further corresponded to the four elements. Technically the kerobam and the four elements are the manifestation of the four worlds in materiality. The four-fold nature of of you know the plan or design of of God. So um but they they also uh according to the Cabala unveiled relate to um the 231 gates which are essentially permutations of the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. And he doesn't really go into great detail about how to use them or how they're used. Uh but um again to me it it it kind of betrays

26:50this idea that words are sacred that divine vibration. I mean if you even look at the the Vic tradition right when Brahma um literally brings creation into existence the sacred word is and it's very sonorous there's lots it wasn't like to you know it's like it's a very like it's a word that that is full of vibration and uh I think that maybe they were kind of hinting at that or or guessing at that to some degree there are various applications of those kinds mantrum uh in in ritual work but you

27:27know I don't think that has much to do with with the question — definitely um okay so came across the sigil of buer ber uh says demon of the first quint of scorpio president commanding 50 legions appears as center la goes on um oh yeah it says appears as a centaur when the sun is in Sagittarius uh teaches moral and natural philosophy, the art of logic, so on and so forth. Um so my I think my question in this regard and this probably bad bad example cuz it I think it's a demonic um thing but say

28:09it was angelic or whatever and you were doing an invocation or evocation. My question was about timing. Um, and if you are to do some sort of invocation or evocation with a particular angelic or demonic whatever entity would you obviously I'm thinking you would want to do it in a um apicious timing that's going to be aligned with uh whatever it is that you are invoking. or evoking. And I was wondering if you are to do this or do something along these lines in timing that is not favorable, could that cause

28:56a conflict or any form of detriment to your uh invocation or evocation? — Yeah. So, um we call this in in hermetic magic, it's called the chyros, which means time. It just means proper time. Um kyos in Greek now in modern Greek actually is funny. It means weather. So I've always thought of it as like okay chyros is the astrological weather. You know what is what are what are the planets doing um etc. What's going on in the skies? Uh yes um there are certain operations that you must do under spec very very

29:35specific timings even in alchemy you know it has to be done. Now two different things. Cidurial astrology has to be used for operations whereas tropical astrology can be used for things like birth charts. — Super important point I think — right you have to it has to actually be in the in in that the planet has to physically be in the constellation. Okay. It can't be. Well, tropical astrology says it should be there or it would have been there, you know, 1500 2,000 years ago. Uh,

30:12for magical operations, you have to find where that planet is in the sky and you have to face it typically. Um, at least know where it is so you can you can direct your working toward it. Uh, and there are certain techniques that you can use that are really interesting. Now if you don't do something in a proper timing, my experience has been that it's not that things will technically go haywire. I mean there are other attendant things like let's say if you do cuz because you got to be pretty you got to be specific

30:49in your ritual work. You can't just do things kind of willy-nilly. Let's see what happens. I think in the beginning some safe low voltage level of experimentation is necessary but you you want to try and as you get as you get more and more advanced you have to try and really dial in with your intention and uh so if you want to amplify you know you want to invoke Mercury to bathe in its energies during a mercury retrograde if you're not the type of person who has a handle on their mercurial energies. Meaning if you

31:25haven't called that forth into your sphere of sensation via ritual, contemplation and meditation before enough to the point where you have become aware of your vices and virtues corresponding to the planetary vices and virtues, then you are going to probably have a hard time. Now, here's the thing. If you have an illdignified Mercury in your natal chart, you may just have a hard time dealing with that planet in it. doesn't matter how auspicious the timing is if you have a difficult relationship with that planet

31:58um in terms of you know uh Mercury could be well dignified in in the current day but if it's not so in your chart and that's a thing that gives you problems then it's the energies are going to be challenging at first no matter what um and it doesn't mean that like bad shit's going to happen you might not Mercury is a perfect example you might not be able to concentrate I can't get through the goddamn ritual because I I have, you know, an illaspected Mercury and um it's

32:27just uh it's it's too much. So, so that could happen. Typically, in my experience, it's just nothing will happen. One of the things that occultists kind of forget is that really, so let me let me start off by saying first of all, yes, there are many operations and kinds of operations that have to do with the planets. There are many operations that have to do with the elements. There are many operations that have to do with the zodiac. There are certain theoric particularly theoric uh operations. A great example is the

32:57abberlon that says don't worry about where the planets are right because we're trying we're doing something that's supposed to get us out of that right we want to get like to to use an analogy we want to get beyond earth's atmosphere to use an analogy uh so where that stuff can't really affect us anymore. So, so there's certain things you don't don't even give a damn about the about the um the planets certain things. Um but uh there are other things where you know

33:29you're you're looking at the timing and and uh you know you may have to reschedule and it's a it's a hard truth particularly I would say for like alchemical operations you really want to dial that in. But also another thing is moon phases are super important. So you as a magician you typically want to work in the the full or waxing. Well, you could even you I would even work in the in the I would do some light work in the waning moon, but you never really want to work during like a the end of a waning session, you

34:03know, or a waning period and during the dark moon. So almost like half the month you want to be doing internal work, meditative work, contemplative visualization, pathworking to do external magic which requires not just the physical component, not just the astral component, not just the spiritual component, but the etheric component that's governed by the tides of the moon. So when you're in the dark of the moon, you have less etheric energy to work with. It's not sometimes it's not worth doing a ritual um certain

34:40kinds of rituals. So you would want to do inner work at that point. You want to do stuff that didn't involve you know manifestation or a high voltage sort of uh spiritual like divine light divine shifa invocation work. It's just a lot of that stuff is not going to be it's not going to be as potent. And one of the reasons why that can suck is because you know we can be fragile. We can we can kind of, you know, we can we can kind of doubt ourselves and kind of get down in the dumps about magical work not really

35:14being very powerful or substantive. And so I think a lot of that has to do with with with attitude, mindset, um, and belief. Some people are doing magic like I hope something happens so that I become a believer. Well, that's you're not really going to make much happen because faith is the first lesson, right? Even if you're a Gnostic like I am, you need faith until you have noises. Otherwise, you're gonna stop looking for it. You know, you're gonna you're g you're not you're gonna stop

35:41that relationship. You're gonna stop that dialogue. You need faith even as a Gnostic. — Yeah, definitely. Uh and then kind of in regards to timing and timing of things, um I'm curious about the like the Jewish calendar. um it's a different set and things are in a little bit of a different arrangement in terms of the months and the timing of things and I wonder for a practitioner such as yourself when you're working in any of your systems is there a place for utilizing a Jewish calendar

36:25system or is it primarily Henistic or I mean this is aside from like alchemical operations obviously. But yeah, that and then um you know kind of the uh your opinion on like Henistic uh system versus versus the uh like Jewish uh calendar system. — I I don't I don't technically see them as antagonistic because the Jewish calendar system is is based on a on on on lunar cycles, right? So the first the first full moon is is the beginning of the month, right? And that's the origin

37:01that's the etmology of the term month you know uh it's was supposed to be that actually um but the helenistic system uh really in in in Helenism the year in theory began with the appearance of the first new moon after the summer solstice. Right? So there there's still kind they're all predicated on on on lunar cycles. And lunar cycles, as we just mentioned, are something you definitely want to, even though I think a lot of magicians don't take into account in magical work, but also in

37:36certain kinds of theurgic work like uh El Cohen the all predicated on lunar cycles, you know, at least at least at the lower levels. I'm not sure about the higher levels, but that's that is all predicated on on lunar stuff. So, um I see I see consonants. I see a harmony with that kind of stuff. Um at the end of the day, for magical work, you need to be you need to be taking into account cidurial astrology and where the moon is, what phase it's in, and what it's doing at all times. So, if you can do those

38:18things, it doesn't really matter what calendar year you're in. — Yeah. because you can you can figure you can figure out based on what you want to have happen and what's going on in the skies. You can figure it out. — Makes sense. Um so something I keep coming across when reading through this is these references to the arm solless like it'll say um it'll give a definition and then it'll say according to the arm solless or whatever. So obviously it's an important foundational

38:49text at least in regards to where a lot of this information is derived from. So I was wondering if you could speak to that particular text, maybe some of the history, any of the context around it, like what it what it is, what it covers, things along those lines. — Yeah. So the Oram Solus is one of those technically so it's called the Ogdoatic tradition. Um and they work based on you know um the the ogdoatic schema of of the hellenistic you know the planetary agad. Um uh it was started in 1890s I think 1897

39:321897 by two gentlemen named George Stanton and Charles Kingold. Uh I I'm pretty sure it was in the UK. Pretty sure it was in London, but uh they call themselves hermetic and theurgic, but um it kind of it kind of morphed. So one of the things that the Orum Solus has has averred from the beginning is that they're descendants from something that they call the Cargi Circle. And so the CargI circle goes back to uh the era of Renaissance neoplatanism. goes right back to Marcelio Ficino. He was the

40:09center of this. So during during the the beginning of the Florentine Renaissance, there was this there was this guy and he was a Platonic scholar which was incredible at the time because the only the only text that was available in Latin to read during the Middle Ages up until that time uh was the time. But there was this guy named Hordos Kistus Plethon and he they called him the second Plato. Um, I'm not sure exactly how, but Plleon is is cognate with Plato because in Greek they didn't Greeks

40:40don't call him Plato. They call him Platon or Platono. Uh, we call him Plato because I to be honest, we have no [ __ ] idea why we do that. We I don't I don't understand why we do most of the things we do when we translate Greek Greek to English. It's ridiculous. — Convenience like you said. — Yeah. I I just don't even know. I just feel like it etmology is really important to me and I'm Greek so the Greek language and Greek traditions are very important to me and so I I just see

41:08academics have been [ __ ] butchering that language for so goddamn long and then they just sm they smile at you know when you're when you're pronouncing a Greek word you know uh that they totally anglicize they make it so vanilla that I want to puke but but it's just like you I but I went to Harvard. Okay. All right. Anyway, I'm I'm digressing. Uh but so Gistus Plethon, the second Plato, he impressed uh Kazimo Demedi and his associates. They came to know each other. There were certain certain

41:44treaties going on at a certain point where where Kasimo met his acquaintance. And so later on when Kasimo went and he had he had these these monks for hire in these monasteries all over Europe looking for these these texts from the ancient world that you know that were like lost to Europe and he struck gold numerous times, right? Because all these monasteries it was they they had the Greek, you know, and those guys they they they had these texts like in a in a dusty basement or some some sort of

42:16library somewhere. So they they got the the entire works of Plato came into the custody of the Medaji dynasty under Kasimo and he had Marcelio Ficino his young proteége or or really he was Kasimo was kind of a guardian and a benefactor to him his entire life. He trained him or really gave him the money to be trained. He said translate Plato. Um, Facino had that hap, he translated it into Latin, the entire Platonic Corpus and Arisatilian and the Corpus Romeicum. But, uh, and at that point, Kasimo sort

42:50of founded a new Platonic Academy. And during the course of um, and this was at the really the under the guidance of Gist Platon uh, all this stuff. um Facino had listened to him uh give lectures and then during the course of his translation, you know, he notes about how how he has this like this change in his worldview based on not only just the Platonic stuff, but he translated Platinus and Yamus. So he was he was reading all the the neoplatonic stuff too and he had a real change in worldview. And so Kasimo effectively

43:28founds the new Platonic Academy and he makes Fuchino the head of it and he buys him a villa for himself for retirement and study in a little place called Kareggi. And so it becomes this informal circle of of artists, of intellectuals, of literati. You know, they're going there to to have, you know, Fino would would sing the Orphic hymns. They called him uh they his nickname was Orpheus because of how well he could play the liar and the guitar. Um uh you know, the version of whatever Italian Renaissance

44:04version of the guitar he had. But he and he would he he reconstructed the orphic hymns. And so he would put on these basically these performance pieces with with these intellectuals and bohemians and artists at this place at the Villa Cari. And so the Orum Solless claims descent from that group of initiates that they claim kind of continues, you know, onward down the line. Um they include like and I'm not even sure if this is anacronistic. I'd have to look at like a textbook or something, but they include

44:34like Dante Alieri, you know, and and uh everybody else whose bones are in the uh you know, the Basilica uh Santa Catino over there in Florence, which I've been there. Uh you know, so they essentially they essentially claimed descent from that group of initiates that were doing, you know, re like like rediscovering the rediscovering the Greek neoplatonic works. And then you have, you know, down the line the the the um grandmaster of of the order becomes uh it comes to Mita Denning. That's a

45:13that's a Nam de Plume. Um I'm not sure of their real names, but it's it's Osborne Phillips and Molita Denning. And they were writers in I believe the 60s or or 50s. and they um they wrote a series of books called uh I think the magical worldview series or something like to that effect. It's now it's now all been compressed into three volumes. Um and they're they're uh they're invaluable for anybody who wants to learn about the the Ogdoatic the Western mysteries really. Um whereas you have

45:51and there's an element of this too from what I understand in Oram Solus but the Golden Dawn relies heavily almost completely on on Egyptian um and then of course at the higher levels that blends with Eninoi and angelic magic but but like Coptic Egyptian is like the foundational stuff of the Golden Dawn whereas you're doing your rituals in the Oram solas you know the setting of the wards uh uh you rousing of the citadels and things like that. You're doing them in Greek. The kaix is in Greek. Um so

46:25it's very much it very much has that flavor and there's a lot of that kind of deity work that that kind of pantheon is what you're working with in ritual. um more so uh but but Denning and Phillips they they basically revamp the order and they they write this these instructional books these beautiful philosophical treatises that are so incredibly important to the western uh esoteric tradition as it stands in the modern day um and they they they reinvigorate it but the oram solus is typically not an

46:57order that people even even initiates of years you know decades either know or have been initiated in It's very selective. Uh uh but at some point it it it splinters and it becomes uh there's there's this again as there as as esoteric orders are want to do they they're breakaway you know and offshoot orders and so essentially one group takes the curriculum and another in in I guess away from you know the the authority quote unquote of of the oram solus and they branch off and they call

47:31themselves the ashram sophi and Uh they're essentially doing the same work to my understanding. um they still rely on the the Denning and Phillips works, but uh now I believe that the grandmaster of the Orum Solus is Jean Louie Debas and he um he kind of took it in a direction that's a little more pagan, whereas like to me the Denning and Phix Phillips stuff was much more in line with the the kind of theology uh of the the higher her genius, which to me has way way more, especially cababalistically, especially

48:16um way more of a Christian under undertone to or overtone. I mean I mean that's you're essentially trying to awaken the Christ force in yourself whereas from my experience um of at least a probationer materials of of the oram solless very very strong pagan very very um or not very very but I would say I got a vibe that was antithetical to Christianity and I not antithetical but m maybe somewhat passive aggressive towards it. So, as soon as I see that, I'm like, I'm out. Because that means

48:55you don't understand esoteric Christianity. And if you don't understand esoteric Christianity and you're just basing everything on, you know, the quote unquote church, then there's no way you can understand occultism because occultism is esoteric Christianity. everything else. Everything else, druidry, uh, the Norse stuff, it's a refucking construction from 17th and and and you know, uh, and or 18th and 19th century like intellect European intellectuals. They remade that stuff

49:31up. Wikah, the the, you know, uh, whatever it's called, Aaru, Aartu, uh, the the North Pagan stuff. It's it's just it's a reconstruction. It didn't it doesn't — No, the the astroargentum is is a is a is the order of the silver star and that's a Crowley thing. — But um and even Crowley, you know, he talks about the true will and the higher divine genius and stuff. He just, you know, he he had too much even though he he strove upwards, he he also strove way

50:07[ __ ] downward. He was definitely walking, definitely traversing the paths and the tunnels and um the tunnels perhaps uh a little bit um a little bit more than the paths. Now, you're supposed to be able to do both, but the difference is you have to connect with that Tifereth force before you descend. And it's the same in the Abberlon ritual. You purify, make contact with your holy guardian angel, then you call forth because you're not working under your own authority anymore. You're

50:40working under the the the spiritual authority of something that is higher than you and mediating for you between you and God or the highest the one the absolute. So until you've achieved that safeguard of working in and under the opaces of this this in the golden dawn we would conceptualize it more as less of an exterior entity and more of the aspect of your spiritual architecture which is unborn to the physical world. Once you make a contact with that then you go down. But if you don't make that contact or if that

51:17contact is tenuous, you're going to get lost in the maze of the tunnels of Seth. And a lot of people revel there. But at the end of the day, they're going towards soul death. — I came across uh the word earth as it says one of the four elements associated with — uh associated with the final he of the chhatra graviton. one of the seven earths corresponding to the suppernal sephro. So I was like wondering seven earths what is that in regards to — the seven earths as far as I understand

51:54is is is like Islamic uh from what I understand there's a hadith which is basically a commentary kind of like um kind of like uh the — but there's a hadith that talks about the seven earths um but the and I'm not sure what the word is but the word can be translated as land. So, so it's also the seven lands um or or um or seven you know earths like you're saying it can be translated either um and from what I understand there are like according to this hadith uh commentary is like okay there are seven

52:40earths that have seven rulers and these are only known to to God to Allah Um, the way that I interpret it, it sounds very much to me as if it were at least the way it's written in in in the Islamic text. It sounds almost multi-dimensional, which is crazy. But a lot of scholars also translate that just to mean like seven different topograph topographical regions or seven different temperate zones. you know, they're obviously always they're constantly going to be deferring to this material um

53:18explanation. To me, if I were reading that with no explanation, I would think the seven classical planetary bodies, the seven other earths, you know, um and they do all have rulers, right? um according to uh according to the cabalistic system and they comprise the the the ruach of the the individual. — Okay. — The spirit. I — think this is my last question I got. Um I'm looking at this depiction of the tree of life from Citapus Egypticus by Athanasius Kchner in 1652. Uh it's got um you know the different

54:04sephrats laid out with some Hebrew stuff intertwined within each sepharat. And there's a couple of them um like for example hess. Is that the right pronunciation? Hessid chess. Yes. — Yeah. Hed is is how I say or hessid. Yeah. — Um and I think hard to read the the font on this. It's either 33 or 55 uh princes uh their origin from Mercury and then it's also got something in regards to 50 gates of light. But yeah, I was wondering if you could speak to what these princes possibly represent or what they are,

54:49what they have to do with or anything along these lines. Well, I I mean, obviously, the Kercher tree is the is is probably the most well-known image um among like I guess I would say academic occultism, but you know, there is still a lot of stuff on there that that mystifies me again because it was his interpretation, you know, and he was a German Jesuit uh kind of interpolating or interpreting this uh uh Chris Christian cosmological worldview through the lens of the Hebrew cabala. He's famous for

55:30saying either the either the the Hebrews were Egypticizing or the Egyptians were Hebraizing or Hebraizing which means that uh the the Judeaic tradition to him uh was ultimately Egyptian or vice versa which is very very interesting because it's it has tremendous consonance with um with the occult societies of of of of the day at were of today. But um the the princes in terms of that uh the the only thing that I can really wrap my head around having not fully kind of digested that material because it's I mean it's it's

56:14just enormous and difficult to read is um each of the sephirod has a hierarchy right that is that it's that's so important the idea of hierarchy right um It's so important in the ancient world and in reality, you know, in in the the structure of reality, hierarchy is is a reality because it's it's ordered, right? And so, uh, the people at at this this time kind of packing things into this, you know, beautiful filing cabinet of the lineal glyph of the tree of life, they're they're trying to follow this

56:52beautiful divine order. And so, they're classifying all these things based on this rank and hierarchy. And so you find things like hosts, you know, there are like angelic hosts associated with each one of the uh the um the uh the Sephiroth. Now you also have this idea of of of powers uh dominions principalities uh these kind of pseudoian who actually pulled a lot of uh proclases neoplatanism into Christianity. So the direct through line from proclas to pseudoianis the arropagite into Christianity. But he kind of he he

57:42pulls this Pauline uh hierarchical system um right coming from that very famous line that we do not struggle with with with flesh uh flesh and blood. we struggle with uh you know uh principalities and dominions. Uh so but he pulls this whole hierarchical system that he creates off of this Pauline throughine and this neoplatonic hierarchy of being and he creates uh essentially you know the the the order in which this is goes right back to what we were talking about in the beginning of this conversation is the way the

58:22divine projects downward into materiality and he groups you know uh certain rulers really the word principalities comes from the the Greek that Paul used archons, rulers. — Um, and so that to me would be what he's what Kerser is relying on in that, right? Because what he's he was obviously versed in some form of Platonism. He was definitely versed he was a theologian in the in the the the the Catholic Church. Okay. He was a Jesuit. So that's like the that's like the paramilitary. That's like the Navy

59:02Seals of the church, right? We've talked about them. So, uh, he definitely knew all that stuff. So, probably he he he he found places um into in on the tree of life, I think. Would you say they derive their power from from Mars, was it? Oh, uh, actually in terms of where they derive their power from, I'm not sure, but like it'll just say like this one, it's in, uh, yes, it says, well, because it obviously it corresponds Yes with Merc. I think it says, maybe I'm reading that. Maybe it says mercy actually.

59:40— Mercy. I said Mercury, I think, but it's I think it says mercy. — It's it's it's probably mercy because they're extending from from, right? — Yeah. Their origin from Mercy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it says, — right? So, so their origins for mercy. So, so that it's it's telling you a lot there, you know, the benevolent princes, the benevolent principalities, particularly because the image of you, you know, and and not only that, to be

1:00:04honest with you, the quiet the the the um so the the the image of really, if you want to think about it, the archetypal image of of that sphere is sort of like this benevolent king, this king who's constantly giving. And so it's interesting that he would kind of ally these princes underneath the king again rarifying it kind of it's reminding me of the angelic host in terms of the hierarchies that we use in um the magic of evocation of the golden dawn. — Yeah. Yeah. And then like on the other

1:00:39side there is the man and it's really hard to read this font but um right to the left to the — to the left of uh Ho would be under Binha uh — Gabbor. — Okay. Yeah, it has I think it has like a different name though. But um — Oh, they might it might be it might either be den or pashad. — Pashad. That's what Okay. Yeah. Yeah. — Yes. Um — I think that means I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that means justice. — Oh yeah. Yeah. It So it says um those

1:01:18princes the orig are originating from severity. So yeah, it's like — so that's that's the pill that's the pillar of severity right there. — Yeah, that makes sense. Sweet. Um, so much — we figured it out — information. We fig we cracked the code to reality. We we know all — Oh, that was really fun though. Um, — yeah, that was fun for me, too. It felt like being kind of I don't know, like on an intellectual safari of Jewish mysticism. I I really liked it.

1:01:52— Yeah. Um, so is there any last um, closing thoughts on your behalf, on your part that you wanted to put out there for any of the listeners or anything like that? — Um, I just want to reinforce the idea that like don't think that the capital Q Cabala is the only one out there. Don't even think that there's one version of each cabala. There's like multiple versions of K Cabala, Cabala, Q Kabala. Um, study study but put it into practice. That's why I like Q Cabala. Q cabala the

1:02:28the hermetic cabala is a cabala of magic of practical use that's why I lean on it I know about the other stuff to the extent that it informs my practice and my understanding but I the hermetic cabala is more useful to me because this is stuff that you should be doing you know at a certain level even if it's just going out and finding correspondences and putting them you know in in in in that filing cabinet in your mind, what what corresponds to what and then you use that later in let's say

1:03:02elemental magic um based on a planetary correspondence. So, you know, that's really it. Study widely and and try and use it. And Sky, it's always great, man. It's always great. You're always um you're always stretching my brain. I love doing this with you, man. — Me, too. Such a blast. And just want to give a shout out. Uh TJ Bell sent me this awesome tincture of it's a lavender spaderic. I've been kind of taking it during this episode. Must say it's super

1:03:33relaxing and calming. So just wanted to give him a plug. TJ Bell over there at Black Earth Alchemy. Hola. Um supposed to be good for — He's got a TJ's got to come on my damn podcast. I've asked him. — Yeah, mine as well. — Yeah. Um All right, man. This was freaking awesome. So, thank you again all of the listeners. We greatly appreciate you. Everybody on the Patreon, seriously, um means the world. Um just that anybody would listen to myself and Ike have these conversations.

1:04:07Um with that, uh we will close and until next time. — All right. — All right. — Take care.