Freedom Pt 4: Americas Founding Ideals & Philosopher Kings

12:27right? Farmers, [ __ ] soldiers. How did they how what were they reading? What had affected their soul? What kind of a lifestyle or trajectory of of of of being in this world led them to really understand how to do that, why to do it? Um because we don't we don't actually have any [ __ ] idea. We think we know. We have no idea what the founding fathers of this country were trying to accomplish, what they said they were going to. Nobody reads primary sources anymore. Nobody gives a [ __ ] I think uh

13:08— you know a lot of them were pretty there's differences in opinion when it comes to some of the founding fathers understandings of human nature and I think a lot of it comes from sources like Hobbes from Hume um you know they're probably reading like John Lockach is somebody that's uh pretty foundational but Thomas Payne you know he's common sense That was kind of what kicked off the justification for the people of the for the 13 colonies that decided to have their independence from

13:46Great Britain. And um I think I don't know if that was published anonymously, but that was kind of like uh what was the predecessor to the Declaration of Independence. And I you said something earlier about governance in relation to consent when you were talking about the can you say that again what you were talking about in in the mind or you have to have this higher — yeah the logistical the rational part of the soul. — Yeah and you said something about consent in regard to that remember. Oh yeah,

14:25yeah, yeah. The the so the lower parts of the soul in order to be considered just in the Platonic model — talking we're talking Plato here — um and the Platonic tradition in order to be considered just to be considered fully human and not a slave to the animal aspects of oursel um because we're not animals. We're not animals. You know, we might be my body may may be malian, but I'm a [ __ ] anomaly. This mammal can play basketball. — You know what I'm saying? This mammal

15:00can write two [ __ ] books at the same time. This mammal can operate a a [ __ ] computer. You know what I'm saying? Don't tell me I'm an animal. You're go ahead, be an animal. You want to You want to call yourself a [ __ ] animal, go be an animal. Go play in the [ __ ] dirt. But the thing is we have a part of our ourselves that is beholden right that's the whole dichotomy the spiritual dichotomy the existential dilemma of mankind since the beginning until maybe 200 years ago we decided to

15:31push this out of our [ __ ] brains in exchange for I don't know Spongebob you know until 200 years ago it was like yeah we're a spiritual being chained to a [ __ ] animal body how do we rectify this what are the potential dangers where are we going wrong. How do we talk about it so that we can navigate this thing using utilizing the highest parts of ourselves instead of dragging ourselves through the mud which is not dignified. It does not dignify the soul. It corrupts the soul by actually

16:02inclining it, conditioning the soul towards things that are contra to its nature. — Being here that that's the risk. That's the whole thing of the the weighing of the heart ceremony and and why you were if your heart wasn't lighter than a feather, — you'd get thrown into the belly of of the crocodile, hippopotamus, soc whoever it was. This is the same thing in in in the Platonic stuff. And and the same the same verbiage is constantly reiterated. It's because if if you want to be an

16:36animal, you want to live your life like an animal, your soul is going to be conditioned towards those animal desires. is going to continually almost automatically choose to reincarnate. Because if you have all these physical desires, these chains really to materiality and material life in materiality and you have you're dead, but your consciousness still survives. You have no way of gratifying the ways in which your consciousness, your soul has been conditioned. Yeah. You're going to be like, "Get me the [ __ ] out of

17:04here. I can't eat. I can't sleep. I can't do this. I can't [ __ ] I miss my kids. I miss my mother. I miss reading. I miss the grass. I miss the sun." you're going to you're going to willingly choose to come back. And so, you know, the whole idea of being here um is to just make sure that the rational the the lower two parts of the soul, the appetitive and the desire is. And by the way, just remember that these are ways of talking about this stuff, okay? I can't like point onto my body where the

17:33[ __ ] appetite of and it's just ways of conceptualizing this stuff. So, whatever. uh the appetitive and the desire and the and the um uh spirited portions the two lower portions of the soul of the self they have to willingly consent to be ruled by the higher the rational the logisticon that's the only way that a person philosophically could be considered just or fully human — and that's why I thought it was interesting that you said that because so you know when they wrote when Thomas Jefferson wrote

18:13the Declaration of Independence had it sent to the king of England basically you know saying hey you're violating our natural rights and we're doing our own thing this whole thing revolves around the idea of the consent of the governed and that was you know part of the the reason and the justification for declaring the independence in the first place because of the tyranny or the the oppression that wasn't consented by by the people that were being governed. And so I just that stuck out to me when you said that.

18:46I wanted to bring that up. Yeah. And I mean it's the same thing if you look at it microcosmically, analogically, fractally, however you want to look at it. It's the same thing. The people who are not fit to rule because not everyone is fit to rule. The people who are not fit to rule need to consent to be ruled. But that's only allowable if their options dictate that they can trust this person. You know, this is an ages old an ages ages old thing. This goes back to the divine right of kingship.

19:24— Okay. Um we talk about in the republic, right? I mean, you read the republics republic, it's it's stunning. It's it's shocking. It's almost like a eugenics dystopia. Um, you know, but the thing is Plato didn't really have at that point in his life a really positive outlook on human affairs. He had lived through a tremendous amount of political turmoil and tyranny. Outright [ __ ] tyranny in the city of Athens, right? The city of Athens was like the paragon of the city.

19:55It was supposed to be progressive, modern, supposed to be the light of the world in the Mediterranean. And it was subject to tyranny. Somebody had taken it over. group of people had taken it all and um he lived through that. So his there's a lot of politics in his writing but the thing that he basically says is first of all Plato and Socrates hated democracy they hated it because what do you mean what do you mean the guy who's wiping his ass with a stick gets to gets a vote? You know, like what what do you

20:27mean that that guy has a say or the even worse the tyrant, — the guy who we know is bad, who does not have the best interests of anyone else really other than himself at heart, he gets to say, you know, so they they didn't like democracy. Well, that wasn't a thing that they enjoyed. Uh Plato and Socrates espoused I mean, we don't really know what Plato thought. We can assume right I think it's in his seventh epistle might be a different one but his seventh epistle which again the authenticity of it

21:01coming from Plato is contested but the his seventh letter basically says I never wrote down the the philosophy of Plato. The dialogues are Socrates made beautiful but the the the philosophy of Plato will never be written down. We don't really know if that was what he believed, but he he cared enough about what Socrates had to say to write these dialogues about it. So, at least Socrates says in the republic, the only one fit to rule is the one who can rule himself completely and entirely. — That's it. And he called him the

21:34philosopher king. — Yeah. — And a a lot of Freemasonic allegory is based on that, right? Because in Freemasonry, our our big mythos is the the temple of Solomon and and Solomon King. And and what was he, right? He was the he's the the archetype of the of the uh philosopher king. He was w he had he was wiser than all the kings, all the regions, all the wisdom of Egypt and Syria, wiser than all of them according to, you know, the ancient writings. And so he was the philosopher king. And

22:06that's why uh in his time his people prospered. His kingdom prospered, right? He he built the temple. He actually built the temple. And and so uh you know these are the types of people that um that Plato and Socrates are talking about. You need the philosopher king. Now the thing is you can leave that to somebody else or you can do it. — Yeah. — Right. Because then either way you're free. — Doesn't matter. You could you could live in a [ __ ] cage. If you are moral and

22:35you are just and you've done everything that you can and you have purified yourself in that way, you are still free. You're still free. And it's so fascinating to me because we always often a lot of the population thinks of themselves as being very um very evolved and um intelligent compared to the older generations. But when you look back at — the way that these people were communicating and their level of — uh at least the the upper class and the educated class, the letters that they

23:20wrote and their minds, I mean, most people will likely go their whole lives without even contemplating these questions about uh a democracy or republic or how people are to be governed or what the nature of a philosopher king is and why that's beneficial. But it it's just fascinating to me because like looking at all the history of what gave rise to the United States as an experiment and you look at like the uh so you have I guess the articles of confederation that was the first constitution.

23:59Um but then — which which which let me say and I know that you and I briefly spoke about the federalist papers. The first constitution or at least the first draft of the constitution proposed the complete and to and utter abolition of slavery. — Interesting. — And the only the only two states that refused to sign it uh or colonies at the time were South Carolina and Georgia. Everybody else was on board. — And and who wrote that? Thomas Jefferson. — Yeah. And so that was 1776.

24:32Um, which you know a lot of people you'll see people with 1776 shirts. I don't even know if you know they're aware that that what that refers to, but uh basically like the Articles of Confederation, they didn't embolden the Federalists and strength they more so strengthen the states. And so federalism it's basically like uh it's like national level governance versus state level governance I guess. So with the articles of confederation uh the division of power it's mostly

25:06granted to the state level governance. And then there's there's like no president no ability to tax. Um they had to ask the states for money. Uh there was no federal army. Uh the 13 states they had their own military. um there's no controls over commerce between states or anything like that. Uh so they had it set up to where in order to pass laws, you had to have nine out of 13 votes between the 13 states or what's called a a super majority. But in order to change the Articles of

25:39Confederations themselves, they actually had to have uh all 13 13 out of 13 had to all vote in order to be able to I guess under the Articles of Confederation legally to be able to change it. Um so basically what ends up happening is you have the Federalists and then you got the anti-federalists. these movements form because not all state representatives were ever going to agree to uh ratifying the constitution or the new constitution that's yet to be formed. Um, so yeah, the the the Federalists, they lay out these like

26:17persuasive articles and they publish in newspapers and whatnot in order to kind of win over the people for the creation of their proposed new US Constitution. And so there was like responses by the anti-federalist. So originally, you know, you have the Articles of Confederation, first constitution. Uh you have to have all state representatives in favor. It's not going to happen. Anti-federalist or the the federalists want the constitution. They write all these persuasive papers. Um they're proposing their reasons why this

26:55would be beneficial. There was like there was John J. James Madison, Alexander Hamilton. They wrote under the name uh I think it was publius p u b l i s. — So they you got the federalists then you got the anti-feds. They exchange these public responses like debating with each other back and forth whether or not the ratification of the constitution is a good idea. The federalists make their case. They talk about things like the dangers of factions and their threat to liberty and both sides they have great

27:32points because I mean either one you you read their writings and it's very intelligent and well thought out but they talk about the benefits of taxation and having a federal army and the the different insufficiencies of the current confederation to preserve union. uh they talk about concerning dangers from foreign forces the inflexibility of the current articles and they go on there's like 85 of them and so then the anti-federalists they had their responses that they written under the name Ko and these were like guys like

28:08Sam Adams Patrick Henry and Thomas Jeff so they're all writing they're all writing under under the names of Roman orators Publ Publius and and Kato or Ko were they were Roman orators Oh, that's interesting. I was going to ask you about that because I thought — statesmen. Really? They were statesmen? — Yeah. When I saw those names, they they seemed interesting. I thought you might know something about them. — Yeah. Well, I mean, look around at the at the at at the architecture,

28:37I mean, it was it was it was Neo Greco Roman. You know what I'm saying? Like that that it's called like Greek Revival or something like that. Um I mean all of that stuff is an expression of interiority of the collective. I mean these were people that had reached but they had you know a lot of them had the the really the statesmen people that that represented uh the the people they all had classical educations for the most part you know all the Roman orators you know Virgil Plato they regardless of whether or not who they

29:18liked who they didn't like all part of their education you know they like they knew these people the way we know [ __ ] [ __ ] you know, I don't know, bands or or or reality TV stars. So, we we really traded in quite a bit. You know, — imagine imagine if our — we just had a debate thing the other week with Trump and Biden. We had that — with Alzheimer's talking to an egoomaniac and they were arguing about golf and whatever else. I don't know. It's just a joke though. But imagine if

29:51you actually had people that discussed ideas in the ways that they did in this time with these long thoughtout debates that were actually impactful and meaningful instead of just some [ __ ] entertainment show. — Well, what's what's interesting to me, right, I watched this thing and this is I kind of already knew this because I had been on the inside of this industry to a degree. I love Rick Beatat. I don't know if you know who he is, — but he's this incredible like just he

30:28can play any genre, any musical style, but he's an extremely technical, well-versed guitar player and he runs a YouTube channel. Uh, you know, he played for years. He was, you know, successful gigging musician in the studio, touring, playing gigs, but, you know, never famous because he didn't play the game. So now he kind of took it into his own hands. He's got a YouTube called Rick Biato and he does all sorts of [ __ ] I mean he talks to Sting. He talks to Pat Matheni. He talks to Metallica. He you

31:00know like and he he does all these video these videos that have you know hundreds of thousands and millions of views and he's become very successful doing it his own way because he is talented and he is brilliant in his own way. trying to fight his way up the corrupt [ __ ] power structure. He just, you know, he wasn't uh as they say, he wasn't a team player. But anyway, so one of the things he's talking about in a in a recent interview where he talks about the corruption of the music industry is how,

31:29you know, I mean, let's face it, you talk any industry is dependent upon its banks, its lenders. That's all a m that's all a record label is. It's a bank that specializes in lending to, you know, i.e. [ __ ] musicians. Um, okay. So, he talks about that. He talks about the culture of the music scene. Um, and and all that stuff. So eventually, right, all the radio stations got sort of bought up um after Clinton signed the uh uh I think the the radio act or something or — Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

32:14— Right. So essentially he allowed a monopoly to happen um or the the beginnings of one and uh with legislation and essentially I mean whether people can come back no sources this is but that's what effectively [ __ ] happened like the what this is the problem with with people I don't know if it's autism I have no idea what the [ __ ] it is. I have no clue but it's I I can't understand it and it it makes me very frustrated. Nobody gives a [ __ ] what the paper says. It's about what happened.

32:46This thing happened and then the this other thing happened. And so I see the causality. I don't need to to talk about, you know, what your uh depressed, you know, uh alcoholic [ __ ] uh polyai teacher told you at the community college. I don't give a [ __ ] what he has to say, you know, because I have two eyes and I have two ears and I have a [ __ ] brain in my head, you know? So, it's like, you have one, too. You You've got it. You got to use it, you know, instead of constantly outsourcing the

33:17locust of authority to other [ __ ] people. For God's sake, do not divorce your experience of life from the evidence of your ears and eyes. I know there's a big campaign in postmodernism that's telling you, "Oh, the senses can't be trusted." Well, neither can those [ __ ] who are telling you that. — Yeah. Yeah. — So you know what's your what what's the best you what's your best option you know so use judgment there are methods in place there are ways to learn how to

33:41think right and the founding fathers were trained in them the seven liberal arts libera lia free they make you free that's why they were called liberal not because they're about spending a lot of money and giving everybody free food liberal libera they make you free because they taught you how to think we don't teach that. They took that out of the core curriculum of schools. Kids are not learning how I didn't learn how to [ __ ] do that. I got to read the trivia and the quadriium as a 33y old,

34:11you know? So, it's and re and re-educate myself and and all this stuff. But you got to do it because that's what matters. But anyway, so he's talking about how all these radio stations got essentially bought up and they had a director of programming. So, one guy was in charge of saying what was going to be on like hundreds of radio stations. and go check out his videos. Go check it out how how greed or how corruption ruined rock and roll or the music industry or something like that and get the facts

34:42from from him. But to paraphrase, he you know uh somebody walks into a station and says, "I think we should play this uh because it's, you know, this is cool. This is good. This is new." And the the guy who's who's programming the radio station says, "No, no, no, no, no. People don't tell us what's cool, we tell people what's cool. And so that is effectively that is what happened in every sector of American life, every sector of American economy. It stopped being,

35:17you know, demand and supply. It stopped being what the people want. — Yeah. Because the people allowed themselves to be told. The people stopped doing the in we've become divorced from the essentiality of humanity which is contained for all time in the philosophical intellectual and spiritual traditions of the past. And we're now being told [ __ ] Disney by Star Wars and they have Yoda say forget the past. Burn it if you have to. They said that in this in the in in this I forget which of the new Star Wars. I

36:00mean millions of people impressionable young people going in there. First of all, when you get into a movie, you go into a complete alpha state. You know what I'm saying? You know, you know, right? I mean, if you were to watch somebody watching a movie, there's them, their little fat ass scarfing down popcorn, and then like, you know, 20 yards away is a massive screen. There's no way that you're thinking to yourself, there's no way that this person is like so inshed, engulfed in

36:30what's going on in that scream that when something jumps out, they jump. When somebody when a character they love dies, they cry. When I come mad, something terrible happens. Oh, they all scream and everybody visceral reactions happening because of what happens to your [ __ ] brain the minute you sit in that chair and look at that screen. It's way more than entertainment. And the same concept applies, right? People don't tell us what's cool, we tell people what's cool. Well, we used to

37:00have this saying that art imitates life, but now life imitates art. And so, you sit people in a [ __ ] chair and and and play this thing on the screen. is quasi, you know, neo philosophical thing. You're telling people, forget the past. Burn it if you have to. And look at what's happening. Look at what's happening. And we're being severed. We're being cut off from our history, from these intellectual, spiritual, uh, you know, humanist traditions. We have, we're being Forget

37:31guns. Forget guns. I have guns. and I you I'm you got you're going to have to kill me to take them away from me, but forget them for the time being. We don't have any way of intellectually or spiritually defending ourselves. Yeah. — Yeah. I think — Sorry, keep going. — So, is that all gloom and doom or — uh Yeah, I don't know. It's truth. But yeah, and it's funny. I think that we've talked about this point before with the institution of Freemasonry by virtue of

38:07what it stands for and the things like the trivium, the quadrum, like developing a virtuous nature and how that's ironically like such a popular focal point for whatever this thing is that's that's trying to uh suppress the development of the ideals that lead to what would be considered a philosopher king. These things that are sustainable um across long periods of time that help develop the individual to a state where they are able to rule themselves. These are the things that are being

38:47uh labeled as evil in some ironic insane way. Um and so it's just yeah that's interesting to me. What I was going to ask you is Thomas Jefferson was he a Mason or — I don't think so. — I don't know. I I could look it up. I know. I I know there were a bunch of founding fathers that you know what the thing is like that that was drilled into my [ __ ] head so much like when I was younger like interested in Dan Brown and all that stuff. Um — and like it was like History Channel

39:17kind of esotericism. Um, so I I kind of rejected because I I don't need an exemplar to be a good person. I don't need to be pushed. I don't Nobody needs to tell me like, "Oh, but Tom, you know, George Washington, he never lied. He cut down the cherry tree. He didn't lie about it. He became a Mason president." Great. That's great. — Um, — yeah. — That's not going to necessarily motivate me to be a better person. What's going to motivate me to be a better person is,

39:44you know, the thing that has been reaching out to me my whole life, calling to me, and that I have essentially been trying to make contact with wants me to do that. — I have no problem setting my will in obeyance to that higher power. Right? I mean, and and if God asks you to serve your fellow man, — you got to do it whether you like them or not. — Yeah. — But you're going to you're going to be able you're going to be able to help people a lot more — if you love them.

40:22— Loving people doesn't mean you got to like them, — but but if you love people, you'll be able to help them in ways that are are much more profound and spiritual uh than superficial. Um, but you know it's I don't know this is a bit a little controversial but the longer I' I I am in masonry you know I see like this kind of superficiality towards not in everybody of course not so is exceptions but I do see this this superficiality toward um the acquisition of living or or or of

41:02the virtues and and living a moral moral and upright life. I see a lot of really really great examples. I don't see a lot of bad examples. But at the same time, there's something so essential, so spiritual that's not there yet. It's not there. It's it's almost like doing the moral thing without full illumination, — without all the light. And so what happens is you only work at this very low level, which is good. That's good enough, right? Because so much of everything around us nowadays is

41:41completely [ __ ] corrosive. So they're doing a great job. There's something more in masonry that will push us if if we follow it and and we allow that to happen. Um, and I'd like to see more of that. And I think that a lot of the young people coming into Freemasonry want that. That's the that's that is the answer. they're searching for. It might not be the answer they want, you know, once they once they get it, but that is essentially, you know, the thing that they're looking

42:09for. That is in in of its essence what it is. It's a spiritual truth. It's a spiritual goodness that is, you know, part of not only the Raison Dree, but it's the Sin Buon, right? the reason for being and and the thing that you cannot do without. You can't do Freemasonry without I mean you can but to me it's not it's not really Freemasonry in its fullest expression. And you get all these guys that say like well I've been a Freemason for 80 years and I never heard of that before. Well what about

42:40Wilms? What about Robert Huitt Brown? They can just go [ __ ] themselves. you know, all the Manley Palmer Hall, all these incredible esoteric masons giving you like this wealth of information. Even even Albert Pike, wealth of spiritual information and you you know, you're the one who chose to read [ __ ] you know, how to tie your apron, you know, one 101, you know, nobody nobody hid those books from you, you know. So, — yeah, that's funny. Yeah. The first time I actually came across

43:17a Freemason. It was actually in my freshman year and in my history class the book it had like the different presidents and it was like Republican, Democrat and then like some of them had like parentheses Freemason and I was like what's a Freemason? But so it must have been a decent history book or it had a page in it that was decent. But um that kind of got me curious and I just thought it was funny and ironic cuz we're talking about that stuff. But — yeah, I mean it's it's definitely

43:52definitely a point of interest. You know, the thing is it's like again you get this dualistic attitude towards everything where it's like yeah, you've got a bunch of presidents that did really great. They did great things. They were leaders. They were great Americans. They're freem bases. — And on the other hand, you get the people who are, you know, sitting alone in their [ __ ] bedroom at 4:00 in the morning on 4chan. — And uh those people because they've done

44:17nothing with their lives, um want to say, well, it's a conspiracy. Freemasons are part of a global conspiracy. And uh it's actually a bad thing. Meanwhile, you got the one guy over here saying Freemasons are presidents. And then you got the other guy saying Freemasons are presidents. you know, they're saying the same thing, but they're interpreting it completely [ __ ] differently. So, it's like, you know, something has really gone wrong. Um, and it it boils down to this idea of

44:47unity. I'm going to I'm going to circle back right now. I'm going to tie everything that I've said for the last five minutes together. I think there's a reason that a lot of Freemasons and a lot of people in general don't go the whole nine yards. I think that there's a reason and that reason is the whole reason for this talk because this is what I wanted to get to. The idea is unity. Freemasons talk a lot about unity. how we're, you know, a band of of brothers and friends and who can best work and

45:25best agree, you know, among whom no contention should exist uh except that noble contention or rather emulation, right? But in our spiritual traditions in the west and in some masonic uh I would say they're considered now you know outmoded perhaps irregular dead masonic rights like the El Coins things of that nature Memphis misin ruffle a lot of feathers saying those words but they talk about the spiritual unity Right? They talk about it, but they talk talk about it in metaphysical terms. Talk about really Adam, the Adamic

46:16consciousness of humanity being when humans were one, one consciousness and then like the fall being like a great mirror in which that pristine reflective surface was smashed into millions, billions of tiny little individual pieces all from the same mirror. So with that said, there's no reason why spirituality has to happen in communities traditionally because we don't go we don't, you know, get to transcend until everybody transcends. It's an it's, you know, it's an all for one type of thing. And so

46:58what's happening is the overarching consciousness, the archetypal consciousness, the collective consciousness, as Jung would put it, is being conditioned. Remember what I said about conditioning the soul? The collective consciousness is being conditioned. And when it's affected at that deep of a level or I would say at that duse of a volume, right, mass media allows it for billions of people to be programmed, billions of people to be conditioned, influenced. When it's happening at that level, it's

47:38happening to all of us. Even if I never pick up a phone, even if I never turn on a TV or open a laptop, I am I will probably be better off than my brothers and sisters who have, but I will still be subject to certain impediments because it's basically like if I'm tied to a rock that's rolling downhill, — no matter how powerful, no matter how valiant, no matter how strategic my fight against that momentum is, I'm going to get pulled with it. And that's exactly what's happening. There's a

48:19critical mass of people that have allowed the appetitive and spirited parts of themselves to completely [ __ ] and dominate the rational part of themselves. And that is happening on such a large scale sort of, you know, phenomenon that even those of us that are trying our hardest are feeling that downward tug, that downward pull because ultimately we're all one. We're all one. And that's what I wanted to get across um that day that I was, you know, July 4th when I said it's like what what

48:57about unity, right? What about unity? Because here's the whole thing. What's entirely [ __ ] up is that, as you know, we're talking about how the founding fathers, you know, they didn't want standing armies. They didn't want the government, the country in debt, right? usery has been outlawed in every major civilization since recorded history. They fought that. They fought for all of you who don't know what user is, is lending money at interest because the the the the lender or

49:46the person in debt is the lender's slave. Okay? And you never want to be put in that situation. It's normalized now. Meanwhile, in ancient [ __ ] Rome, they were kicking people out that were doing that. Okay? So, the presidents fought a very hard battle early on. Look at Andrew Jackson. He fought the banks tooth and [ __ ] nail and won. He did what was best for the American people. And you know what they do now? Google and all those, you know, those [ __ ] massive mega corpse. They vilify him. to

50:20talk about what a piece of [ __ ] he was. — Well, you know, — sorry. — I was I was just gonna say one of the things that you are able to do very well and that I aspire to do — because you know people will find any negative aspects of any of these personalities, these founding fathers or early Freemasons, and they'll point out particular flaws in their character uh or their personalities or things they did wrong and they'll latch on and they'll just kind of dismiss everything

50:46out. But anyway, what I was getting to that's because they're [ __ ] children. — Yeah, basically. But, you know, not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Um, — we're all human, you know? I mean, it's like it's like, let me ask them a question. Let's go back to your [ __ ] MySpace profile 10 or eight years ago. Let's let's see how much you're proud of. Let's see how much you're proud of. And then you'll really get the sense like, wow, things change in a short

51:11period of time and I'm not the [ __ ] great person I thought I was. Right? So, judge not, lest he be judged. It's — an easy target. We're all human beings. You're never going to be able to point to a person who's perfect. So, yeah, it's it's the easy way to take somebody out, but they've been trained to do that. They've been trained to look for the [ __ ] every human being has an Achilles heel. Every one of us has a [ __ ] weak knee. And they've been

51:36trained. They've been trained when there's a dog whistle blowing something that they don't [ __ ] like, they've been trained to find that and to use it to take them out. — That's how [ __ ] sick these people are. — And it seems like um it's crazy when you look back at the back and forth between the the anti the Federalists and the anti-federalists. I mean cuz the the federalist papers have be been pretty popular for a while but the anti-federalist papers haven't.

52:08Um and I mean a lot of what they have said it's kind of manifesting right now. A lot of the things they worried about like so you know they gave their arguments about things like the dangers of centralized authority and power like and the powers of taxation and you know they they talk about like you know they don't trust that the individuals are going to be able to keep this thing um pure without it expanding and growing and usurping all of the rights of people. They they were worried that

52:43their rights were eventually going to get taken away and um they were I don't know the you know the Federalists had really like a lot of really good positions and they write really eloquently. The anti-federalists had great positions and responses. The thing that I think kind of saved it was um because the anti-federalists were interested in amending the Articles of Confederation, but they didn't want to throw it out entirely for a whole new constit uh constitution. But so eventually once the Constitution,

53:20you know, went out and everything, I think it was 1789. Um but in the process and the back and forth exchange they ended up basically instigating uh the Bill of Rights to sort of rectify some of the concerns uh that like the anti-federalists had cuz they were wanting to protect the rights of the people cuz they weren't um putting those in the new original intended version of the uh new constitution. So, I think it's awesome to look at this back and forth dialogue over this long period of time

53:59that's like really well thought out and see how people can create something with sort of a compromise. Um, but yeah, I don't know. like they talk about uh you you read the guys like uh Madison and he's super eloquent and you're like, "Oh, okay. I can really see what you're saying there." But then, you know, you read some of Thomas Jefferson's points and response to things that he said and you're like, "Oh, well, that makes a lot of sense to me, too." So, I don't know.

54:35It's just it's fascinating. — Yeah. And the and the thing is that people people will say, "Well, none of that [ __ ] matters because they were all [ __ ] slave owners, — right?" — You know, and the thing is like I'm not I'm I'm only like half kidding about this, but I'm sure one day is going to come where they're going to look back at people like me and, you know, [ __ ] say like he was a speciesist because he owned a [ __ ] dog. And maybe maybe well think of it.

55:02No, just give me a second to explain my point. Maybe there maybe there's truth to that. Maybe there's truth to that. Maybe there's [ __ ] some truth a little bit of truth to the fact that like this thing is its own [ __ ] being, you know, and if I let it do its thing, it could function without me. It could function at a higher level, it could experience freedom. Who knows? But the whole [ __ ] point is that whether it's right or whether it's wrong, I am subject to the norms of my

55:39time. Whether it's right or whether it's wrong, I am subject to the norms of my time. This was such an institutionalized [ __ ] thing for so many years. Scotsmen, Irishmen were slaves in America. they were sent here by Oliver Cromwell, — you know, uh he he was basically giving the the send sending I mean America, let's face it, America was a penal colony. We don't like to talk about it. We'd like to say that oh that was Australia, but America was a [ __ ] penal colony. They sent

56:10prisoners here. They sent slaves here. There's people who like get you can either die, be imprisoned for life, or be exiled to the to the new world, you know, and slavery was a huge thing. It's been a huge thing for for as as long as time for as long as the historical record, east and west. But here's the thing that people don't realize. Forget everything I just said. These men were fighting tooth and [ __ ] nail to get rid of slavery. 1787, the Northwest Ordinance declaring, "Okay, here's the here's the rules of

56:47government for the territory northwest of of Ohio. No slaves, no no indentured or forced servitude." Um, I believe it's in 1807, Thomas Jefferson, President Thomas Jefferson. Everybody likes to say, "Oh, he was a slave owner." First of all, he freed a few of his slaves and he let a bunch of them go. They fled and he he refused pursuit, — which in the time and the context was — Yeah. — pretty damn. — But but that that aside that aside, President Thomas Jefferson in in or

57:28around 1807 signed the Prohibition Act against the slave trade. He ended the North Atlantic slave trade. Thomas Jefferson ended the ability to import to buy and import slaves into this country. And he is the reason the northern [ __ ] abolitionist states existed because he forbade them. He made a [ __ ] law saying you cannot buy, sell, or import slaves into this [ __ ] country anymore. And so then of course you've got all the [ __ ] hoidytoidies up in New York and all those other, you know, fairy land up

58:10there and they're basically saying like, "Oh, let them go." It's like, "Motherfucker, the only reason you don't have slaves is because this guy told you you couldn't have them anymore." You know, and it's it's this whole it's this [ __ ] morality play. But nobody reads primary sources. Nobody looks at the history. They see some [ __ ] dude who's just as impassioned as I am, his big fat face on their [ __ ] Instagram screen, and he's screaming about how

58:34Thomas Jefferson was a [ __ ] racist, and they're loving it. Why? Because the appetitive and the spirited are ruling over their logistic. They're rational. They want to hear the guy yelling. That's why I do it. I yell because people will listen to me when I act like an animal. But I'm hiding the medicine in the applesauce for you [ __ ] I actually know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about. — Yeah. — You know, so it's, you know, it's it's it's it's a totally different thing. And

59:02so before you go before people go off on a tirade about how, you know, nothing that they could have done is justified, look at the stupid [ __ ] you've done and the things that you you may not even be [ __ ] aware of. You're going to be vilified for the rest of history. Meanwhile, these guys were aware of it. Thomas Jefferson wrote explicitly, he called slavery a [ __ ] blight. He called it a disease. He called it like a, you know, a black mark on the history of humanity. Okay? And there's there's

59:31things that you're doing right now, people are doing right now. We don't even have any idea. You know, he this guy actually got his ass into a position of power where he changed things. He didn't go on, you know, he didn't do his equivalent of Instagram memeing and write on the town crier board, you know. So, you know, uh, he actually did it. He worked for it. And this is the same guy that these people are using, particularly the academic sectors. These [ __ ] Marxist lunatics are are

1:00:01training people to vilify this man. This one the greatest man who ever men who ever lived in this country. — Yeah. What are what do you see as uh things that you can point to of people attacking the wrong systems? And what do you feel like the root core reasoning behind that is or what's leading to it? Like what is this force that's driving uh like you you had mentioned um how we've kind of been fooled into devouring our own body rather than the body of the parasite that is devouring us. Maybe you could

1:00:43elaborate on that and like — how would it is there like a force behind this that you can describe. — It it goes it goes back to kind of what I was saying which I'm glad you mentioned. If we circle back to the banks 1913, you know, um the uh Federal Reserve Bank gets that whole system gets signed into uh to policy. How did the government 1913, right? So the government had been exist in existence and prosperous prosperous for over well over hundred years at that point. Why at 1913 did we decide that we

1:01:28had to introduce an income tax? Well, because bankers were behind the Fed, right? Nothing federal about the Federal Reserve. It's it's as federal as Federal Express. There's nothing fed. It's a privatelyowned [ __ ] bank that prints fiat money out of thin air — backed by nothing. I think it was Nixon who took took us off the uh the gold standard. The money's backed by nothing. It exists because fiat, right? Fiat means let it be. Let it be. So we're it's it it it has value because we say

1:02:03it has value. And these uh I mean you want to talk about people from [ __ ] hell. Still to this day, you know, uh the banking system attracts these kinds of [ __ ] you know, human spiders, you know, just uh but at this point, the entirety of the system of government was able to be hijacked because now what did I say earlier, right? The borrower is slave to the lender. And when a country borrows money from a privatelyowned, you know, a private lender, we become slaves. — Yeah. — And how do people prosper off of slaves

1:02:53from their work? So, how did we make money? How did how are we so [ __ ] pro prosperous before the income tax? Well, tariffs. I believe it was Andrew Jackson. He levied tar tariffs at 42% of — what's a tariff? — So a t a tariff is a tax on imported goods. — Oh, okay. — So you want to buy from Britain, you want to buy from Spain, you want to buy from Italy. Cool. We'll buy your [ __ ] but it's going to cost you it's going to cost 42%. You're going to get a 42% tax. So why

1:03:44would we do that, right? Globalists, we like globalism and we want to connect the [ __ ] world. Well, because what it allowed us to do is as a fledgling country pioneer industry. We astounded the [ __ ] world, particularly France and Spain, with the amount of we were able to raise what is today tens or tens of billions of dollars from American steel and internal industry. You know, American industry was the [ __ ] standard because we levied tariffs. We made our money off of imported goods and we bought and sold our own and we

1:04:33had an incredible industry. Bankers don't like that, right? Because you're basically saying bankers are they're the ones bankers are the ones who they're the roots. They're the roots that are being fed by all the corporations. corporations and the corporate money is like rain and it just showers on these roots like a plant and the dirt soaks it up and the roots grow deep and they grow strong, you know, and they're the fixed thing. They're the thing that benefits from everything, the root of the plant

1:05:06constantly consuming and rooting deeper, establishing itself. Those are the banks in terms of corporate money. And so yeah, if these large these, you know, you know, these corporate businesses, let's say these protocporate, they're not corporate the way we we would think of corporate, but these, you know, these global industries that the bankers are are benefiting off of. They don't want to pay 42% to import [ __ ] goods, you know? So, what we're going to do is we're going to take hold of your

1:05:37financial system, right? Uh I forget what's his which Roth Shield said it but give me control of a country of a nation's money and I don't care who makes the laws. — You know they got control of our money and the borrower became slave to the lender. And again how do slave owners profit off of slaves? By their labor, you know. So income tax. Um and now that allowed them over time to create a corporate state. That's essentially fascism. People don't know what [ __ ] fascism is. Um there

1:06:21there's kind of a new definition to it, but formerly, you know, I Bonito Mussolini said this. Fascism is the merger of corporate and state power. So you've got all these [ __ ] liberal retards talking and calling people fascists. And and meantime, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. You learned that word from the wrong [ __ ] You know, you learned that word from the wrong [ __ ] people. Um, the merger of state and corporate power is America. We We've been fascist for [ __ ] for 50 years. Since world since the end of

1:06:59World War II, all this [ __ ] came to a head. Um, really, it started with the hijacking of our financial system in 1913 with the Federal Reserve. But so what's happening now is those interests, those bankers, those you know global financeers, they've had us in a they've lulled us into a state of willed slavery through ignorance. Debt slavery. We're we're debt slaves. We love it. you telling me, "Oh, look, I get a credit card." You know, the day I'm graduating from college, somebody's coming around.

1:07:46He got asked by, I don't know, Capital One, hey, we'll give you certain amount of bucks. You'll get credit for your your your econ class, uh, you know, um, uh, 101. You'll get credit if you hand out these cards. They give you a box of t-shirts or something here, you know, you get a t-shirt, get a credit card set up, do that. You're [ __ ] 19 years old. You're like, "Oh, look, free money." — Bam. You're in [ __ ] debt. You're in debt. They got you off the hook as a

1:08:15[ __ ] guppy. You know, they got you on the on the line. So, and and and everybody, you know, you look around, it's like there's very few parents that are even good role models. You know, you don't lease a [ __ ] car, you don't buy a new car, you know, you don't go into debt. If you don't have the [ __ ] cash, you don't buy it. Yeah. And you know, if that means that you don't have the same amount of [ __ ] as everybody else, who [ __ ] cares, man? These people are saddled with debt. They're

1:08:41going to die slaves. They're going to [ __ ] die a slave, — you know? Um, and so that that was what if you watched it, you know, our society moved away from the life of the mind, from the life of philosophy, from the life of intellect, and it changed the the core curriculum changed. And since everything around us was changing, we we were made to feel and very subtly, right? It took generations for this stuff to gradually change. We were made to feel like, oh, it's natural. It's organic.

1:09:15This stuff is outmoded. Nobody seems to care anymore. Why should I? And then here we here we are. — And then you you mentioned the banking institutions and all that. I think another big one is the media. um the con the people that had like kind of essentially taken over the media corporations and I think it was even the one of the founders of the Federal Reserve that was also a newspaper publisher or something like that. Um, so you know, you have these people that are doing their thing and then they're able

1:09:55to influence the public at the same time through publication companies. They're usurping more money, taking more money, building up their institutions more and more. It's just growing. It's growing. They eventually consolidate throughout time. Uh, I don't know how many at least the the news stations at one point were like consolidated into like five major parent corporation companies or something like that. Um, but I think that's another thing that everybody's becoming well not

1:10:27everybody but many people are becoming aware of is the you know just the uh scam of of the media because it's so diluted. — Yes. But the issue is they're pointing to your media, not their media. My media is fine. You know, — I get my media from somebody that I saw on Joe Rogan or I get my media from this underground subculture or I get my media from C-SPAN, CNN. I get mine from Fox. Let me tell you something. Do not That's the whole problem. So, you're you talked about how that you

1:11:03know the newspapers, right? That was the media newspapers. You pick it up in the morning. you'd know what was going on in every corner of the [ __ ] world in 10 minutes. Okay. — Or you thought you did because you thought that there was an authoritative source that was telling you what was really going on and you trusted it. — Exact. That's my point. My point is that these people garnered our trust. We gave them our trust. — Yeah. — The whole idea of the Constitution is do

1:11:33not trust anyone. Trust God. Trust God and your gun. That's who you [ __ ] trust. Okay? That's the whole idea of the Constitution. The founding father, the founding principle of this [ __ ] country is, you know, you can't give people that, you can't give groups of people really. You can't give groups of people that much trust. And you can't give a a single person or small groups of people in massive positions of power any trust. — Okay? And so my advice to you, whomever

1:12:14is is listening, do not disavow any [ __ ] voice that comes through or was able to develop via any form of media, right? There is so much already here for you. There's a world that you don't even know exists that is interpenetrated with our world like some kind of spooky astral [ __ ] blueprint. It's here but we can't see it but it's the reason. It's called the [ __ ] past. It's called the past. that spooky astral undergarment, you know, that's underneath and and and

1:13:03and literally the reason everything is not the reason everything is bad. The reason everything is. It's the past. There's a record there. Go and read it. You can't understand it. Get [ __ ] smarter. You don't want to be You do not want to be this type of person. You do not want to be a modern [ __ ] person. Trust me. Trust me. If anything, you want to be the new type of modern person that reaches backwards to bring ancient wisdom into the future. — Yeah. — Okay. — I'm not I'm not telling you to go live

1:13:42in the [ __ ] woods or wear a powdered wig and stop washing your ass, you know? Embrace the forms of modernity that are not inherently detrimental. Okay? And there's a lot of those. How do you find out what they are? Reach back into the past. There is a resonance there. I mean, your being, your soul, you'll find it somewhere. Will ring like a bell because these people were so in touch with the humanity that we're no longer in touch with. We feel it. We It aches in us. It's one of the reasons why

1:14:22people are [ __ ] raid and they want to destroy everything. It's not just this radical sense of [ __ ] justice or pain. It's because I'm a [ __ ] human and I don't know how to be one anymore. I don't know what that means. I know how to buy things. I know how to wear things. I know how to play a part. I know how to [ __ ] lay in my bed like a goddamn lump and and binge watch [ __ ] blue light. You know, you know that's not [ __ ] that's degrading. It's [ __ ] degrading,

1:14:56you know? It's it's antihuman. This entire [ __ ] agenda is anti-human. Everything that that that's going on right now, for the most part, is [ __ ] anti-human. But like you say, we're now attacking the founding fathers. We're now attacking the spirit of philosophy, intellect, um, self-preservation. That's what that, you know, don't trust groups of people. Don't trust don't trust them with with your well-being. — Yeah. — That's what don't trust them with your

1:15:36wellbe. That's that's a that's a a righteous and intelligent sense of self-preservation. You cannot trust groups of people. But we're now being taught to to dismantle that. — Yeah. — We're now being taught Oh, go ahead. Sorry. — Well, no, I'm sorry. I just I think that's like part of what's genius about the whole and God we trust, the whole emphasis on God-given rights. And to me, that's like the key component in any successful formula. Like it has to be uh

1:16:07above any president or above any person that you're looking out to in the world. It has to be that and I know people have different conceptions about how they conceive of God. A higher power uh the source that is like is the animate spark that lends to our conscious awareness. But at something that is not just another uh individual human that you're looking to to uh dictate uh and and create ideas about how your life should be lived because — if it that's that's the way that's the

1:16:44only way I could see anything like a system of governance if there has to be one working. Um, and it can't be I don't know if it's ever going to be something that can be successful. What do you think about that? I mean, — nothing nothing is ever going to be successful for on on a long enough scale of time. Nothing will be successful. It will be something will be successful in changing the regime and bringing people to a a relative modicum of safety and comfort. We ain't looking at a [ __ ]

1:17:24golden age anytime soon, buddy. Um, that's the dichotomy of material reality. There is always going to be a dipole and the dipole creates a spectrum upon which we will continuously oscillate. And the only way to escape that oscillation is to remove oneself from the horizontal axis. — Not not find no. But here's the thing. You can't find the fulcrum on on on on a horizontal axis that is constantly in flux that is constantly in volley. That's the whole [ __ ] reason like this. Everyone's totally confused

1:18:02— like by a two-party system. Here's what you do, right? We know the verbiage. Mhm. — Two opposing forces and one which unites them eternally. What does that remind you of? A triangle. You have to triangulate. Which means do not deny or try to resolve or dissolve the two opposing for forces and the spectrum of generation between them. That interaction you simply ascend above them and create a third point drawing those forces upward. In other words, you become the mediator. You have to mediate via triangulation

1:18:42because to remain on the horizontal axis is to continually abide by the rules and and assumed premises of the argument. This is an ass the these the premise of the argument could be faulty. So you you don't want to stay there. You will not be able to get objectivity. You'll need to kind of like you won't be you won't be able to find where the center is really for very long. You may think you're on the center, but maybe you're just left of it or you're just right of it. You have no [ __ ] clue. So, you

1:19:11have to triangulate. How that's done is the subject of another podcast. But I think anybody with any kind of [ __ ] discernment or spiritual development know can can figure that out. Um, and it it's, you know, it's it's about perspective. It's about perspective ship. It's about not needing to get rid of one in favor of the other or get rid of the polarities in favor of the central point. It's about maintaining the triangle, right? Pythagoras said that. — You know, you need it's the triad of

1:19:41life if you're a Golden Dawner, right? — That's interesting. I'll have to contemplate on it. When I think about it, I think about like trying to force two sides of a magnet together, but they're not wanting to go together. If I'm trying to I don't know, maybe I'm thinking about — Well, you're you're right there because there's, you know, there's there's this kind of repulsion which is a kind of action, but there's also attraction

1:20:05there. It's basically there is this kind of magnetic, you know, oscillation. And the thing is, you've got to get out of it because if you're stuck in the middle of the field, you're really not going to be able to do anything. Great, you're polarized there, but you have no method of drawing them in because what happens is, let's say I'm in the middle and I I and I end up drawing one side closer to me. I've just created another dipole and there's a different center.

1:20:28— There's just a different center. It's just it's constantly a fractal dipole. So, it's not going to not exist. That's the whole problem with these [ __ ] non-duel idiots is that they're like, you know, nothing is real. Nothing I do matters. I'll go [ __ ] your wife, you know, like or I'll just not do anything for the rest of my life. I'll sit around with the trees. And then quietism is basically them saying, "You guys do your thing. Have fun." Which is great, right?

1:20:55But we've we've I'm I'm sure they're living a life of relative calm, but we live in a [ __ ] world with eight billion people and uh things are going wrong. So now's not the time to say, "Peace, guys. I'm going to the dugout." Now's the time to say, "I'm going to come in and be the [ __ ] binch hitter. I've got to contribute to the effort. I've got to do something." You know, there's a moral stance here. There truly is one. Finally, there's a moral stance.

1:21:21And not only that, but the ball is in play. Things can still happen. We're not hopeless. Yeah, — we're never hope. We're never hopeless, but things can still happen. But just to circle back and finish the the point that you said because I do want to I do think that that's a really good analogy is that when we attack right I I wrote something recently. I've got a new Substack. It's called Ike Baker from the Sunroom because I do most of my writing out here now in the sun room. um short

1:21:51three five minute reads. But I wrote something recently that said I refuse to completely burn down or I refuse to completely destroy that which it is not my expertise to build. So how the [ __ ] do I know first of all how to dismantle it? Why it should be dismantled? Just because I'm [ __ ] angry at it doesn't mean I got to take the goddamn thing apart. I didn't build it. I don't know how to [ __ ] build it. Just because I don't know how to use it, I'm like a goddamn monkey throwing

1:22:22feces. It doesn't mean the thing deserves to be broken, you know? And then what are you gonna do? That makes you a [ __ ] destroyer, pal. What good are you? That you don't know how to build anything. Okay, well, we'll get the next guy in to come and build it. Don't you never want to trust somebody who's too eager to rebuild something. And I'll tell you why. because it's likely that they're going to rebuild it according to their own standards, their own little [ __ ] fantasy, you know,

1:22:47owing no allegiance, uh, you know, or giving no credence to anything higher than their own [ __ ] whimsy, you know, their own predelections, their own biases. So, we're now attacking the structure of our [ __ ] country, the structure of our world. And what that's doing is we like you say like an autoimmune disease. We are attacking our own body and we are not attacking the parasitic [ __ ] organizations and people I hesitate to call them human beings but the people that are that hijacked our

1:23:26government and and brought this sickness to us. They are the ones who should be going to public execution. Not. We should not be trying to dismantle each other. We should not be trying to vilify and completely eradicate the foundation of this [ __ ] country because we don't know how to do anything. We don't know how to do anything. We have no [ __ ] clue. — Yeah. — You got all these idiots out there talking about [ __ ] you know, okay, yeah, but if we could all be farmers, do

1:23:54you know how hard it is to farm? Do you have do you have any [ __ ] idea how long it takes to to learn how to grow [ __ ] food? And then let's just say your first two years are bunk. You got no [ __ ] food, pal. What are you going to do? Well, you gonna go to your neighbor and you're gonna have to give him a hand job or something like that or [ __ ] wash his food. Wash his plates or something like that. You You need to survive. You need to survive. Don't tell me that these [ __ ] people, these

1:24:19Walmart [ __ ] know how to survive. They don't. They have no clue. There's zero self-sufficiency. There's zero self-sufficiency. You know, I don't care if you've been homesteading since COVID. Wow. Congratulations. You know, like when the [ __ ] hits the fan and you have to [ __ ] lean on yourself, not and you're never fully leaning on yourself. Your number one prep is your community. When you have to lean on your community, can you trust them? Can you provide anything for them? Can you do

1:24:45anything? That's what it all boils down to. Can you contribute to the group group effort? Don't kid yourself. Don't kid yourself. So, do not be so quick to completely destroy that which it is not your expertise to build. Um, and that's the whole thing. Everybody thinks that they're a [ __ ] master because they can go on Google and learn about this [ __ ] But I think that one of the last things that I really want to say is we're going forward through time, but we're going backwards in human history.

1:25:17We're, like I said in the beginning, we are becoming more and more molded into we're going back into, you know, tribalism, except now it's it's socopolitical tribalism. We're going back to feudalism except now it's neocclass neocassicist or classist feud feudalism. We're going back to [ __ ] paganism. We're going back to being except now it's like this activist paganism, you know, activism sort of [ __ ] We're going back to being uneducated, but it's a kind of uneducated that while all

1:25:55information exists perpetually at our fingertips, we're now being poisoned by things like fake news, uh, an overwhelm of information, AI. So, our information base is being poisoned the way that they would drop a little bit of poison into a well, kill a [ __ ] village, you know? Um, so we've really got to look at what's going on here. And again, I say to you, disavow any voice that came to prominence through the media. Go back. Don't even listen to me. I I hope that that I can be somebody that that that

1:26:30just turns you around, you know, or orients you. The meaning of the term orient, right? What does that mean? East. — East. — I want I'm just trying to make you face east. Try and face the [ __ ] sun instead of being the inheritor of a dying world. and only looking to the west, the place of death, the place of dark. That's the aesthetic we love. Now, one of the things obviously that I hate is that people have been utterly convinced. They've been utterly [ __ ] brainwashed to believe it's principally

1:27:03because of Christianity and Christian authoritarianism. The one thing that I really am eager to point out is that the idea of social justice comes from Christian organizations. The orphanages, schools, charities, soup kitchens, all started out in this country from Christian organizations. education. That very model comes from nuns used to run schools and they would run orphanages and a lot of times they were the same [ __ ] thing. The sense the spirit of egalitarianism, right? It's like, oh well, you know,

1:27:48morality is relative. Okay, cool. Then I'll come over and I'll stab your cousin. Well, no, no, no. Well, you don't get to [ __ ] choose which morals are right or wrong or they exist that don't exist. It's just my morals. my morals are the correct ones, you know, because who the [ __ ] Because they've their brain has been completely taken over by the mind virus of postmodernism, which is ultimately inherited from an aesthetic. It's an aesthetic. They want to look as sophisticated and as

1:28:16righteous and sound as smart and put together. They want to sound like the adults that they encountered in academia, you know, and and and the really successful people because we all know that success is based on behaviorism. You got to fit in. You got to fit into the con the the to the the contemporary paradigm in order to do well in the world. And what did Judu Krishna Merti say? It is no me it was no measure of or no mark of good health to be profoundly or a it's not a me a mark of good health to be well adjusted in a

1:28:46profoundly sick society. Right? So you got all these people kind of just pantomiming uh what's coming out of the [ __ ] universities because those people are positing themselves. I've been to all of them. I've been to every kind of school. I went to community college. I went to a private college. I went to a state school. And I went to a vocational school. I've been to all of them. I've spent [ __ ] I've spent almost two decades, you know, at this point in [ __ ] schools. Um I know what the

1:29:15culture is like. I've been to a lot of them. I left one of them because it was like [ __ ] you know, I don't know, Brown Shirts training. It was awful. Stony Brook University. Awful. Um I I say I was going for PT. I said get the [ __ ] out of here. This place is this is it's a this is a breeding ground for sociopolitical tribalism. It's not [ __ ] school. It's not a school, you know. So I know what's going on there and and what what they're not realizing is that people are now defecting. I had

1:29:45an amazing conversation with Aaron Cheek the other night, you know, and you got to listen to him. the [ __ ] that he's has to say about what's going on, the the abject corruption that's forcing good people out of academia, the e the rampant egotism, you know? So you you but you got to understand like all the [ __ ] things, all the egalitarianism, the social just all comes these are Christian [ __ ] ideas whether you like it or not. So yeah, I think it can be overwhelming for a lot of people

1:30:20because if we get into a place where we're feeling like nothing can be trusted, I think people have this sense of overwhelm where they don't know where to turn to get uh information on reality and like how to approach life in general and they think everything is a lie, what can I trust? And because you know they either they believe everything and then at some point they get shaken, something comes along and then they think everything's a lie and then I think a lot of people are in that

1:31:03place. So then they have this thing where a lot of people will want to latch on to something because they'll just take anything, whatever comes their way, whatever's nearest to them. They have some something that they don't h that they're reaching for or looking for that they don't know how to explain. So, something closest comes along, they latch on to it, and the next thing they know they're in some uh movement that's some Antifa group or some [ __ ] you know, I don't know, uh, social

1:31:36justice warrior of some kind, but not in the true sense of the word. Just like kind of posing as social justice, but underneath it is like a sense of belonging or a sense of community. And I think that — it's like this loss of the value of community in general. And um people are desperately thirsty for true uh true community because that they they can't find it in the dominating models and what's available to people with what we have. And it has this like sort of un unhuman connect. It doesn't connect people at

1:32:24the human level like we once were able to do. Um I don't know. — No, the thing the the the premise of that that is flawed is the idea that we are we are true humans. You know, you want true community, you got to learn to be a true human being. What does that go back to? What we began the conversation with? Right? The only way that a human can be considered just or truly human is if the spirited and appetite, the lower two aspects of the tripartite soul willingly consent to rule by the

1:32:59rational. You want real things in your life, you need to become a real [ __ ] boy. You need to become a real [ __ ] man. You need to become a real woman. Okay? You have to you have to work on yourself. Now the idea that nothing can be trusted is ridiculous. But you have to learn how to trust yourself. And that doesn't mean to just you know all these people talking now how they've channeled this and their spirit guides that all the most of it I would say 95 99% of it is [ __ ] delusion. That's not the kind of trust

1:33:34I'm talking about. Trust but verify. As my boss used to say, you need to work on the parts of yourself that will enable yourself to trust yourself. What did we mention before? Liber freedom, the liberal, the freeing arts. You want to learn how to think, go and study the trivium and the quadriian, the seven liberal arts. They talk about it in Freemasonry. It was the staple of the educated human being. It's what gave education its prestige. — Education didn't get you a [ __ ] job.

1:34:13Education gave you prestige because it cultured you. And it didn't culture you in a worldly way. It it developed your soul. Sever liberal arts are first posited in Plato's Republic who also gives us the cardinal virtues also huge part of Freemasonry. But you've got to do it. You've got to walk the path. learn how to think and then you can trust yourself and then from there you can become you can work towards becoming a true human. Be virtuous. Don't give into every little [ __ ] you know don't concede to

1:34:47the appetitive you know it's one of the reasons they put [ __ ] there's there's an entire group of people pummeling us with free pornography. You know every type of food out there now is this gourmet [ __ ] junk food this comfort food. You know, these all day long, the programming, the messaging, these, and you go out there and you know what you're eating? You're eating [ __ ] burger patties in McDonald's. They're 77 75% composed of USDA approved edible plastic. — Oh,

1:35:15— okay. So, you know, you it's like you you need to be able to think before you can trust yourself. You can trust that you can trust these methods like I was saying before the intellectual, spiritual and philosophical traditions of our past. You know, trust those, lean on those things to learn and grow and develop your ability to think and speak and to communicate eloquently, succinctly. Get to the heart of the matter with your words instead of trying to sound [ __ ] sophisticated like an

1:35:51[ __ ] People like me can see right through your horseshit and you look like a [ __ ] jerk off. It's just what it is. You look like you're trying so hard to jump through [ __ ] hoops in order to convince us of something that you didn't even believe yourself. You know what I'm saying? So you have go learn how to how to think, how to speak, how to understand the world around you. Put those perceptual filters in because it's our [ __ ] divine right that we're even able to do that. [ __ ]

1:36:19chimpanzees can't do that. Dogs can't do that. Human beings can do that. We're not animals. — Is there something to not not giving into the appetite? Does that involved with developing the will like being able to um direct your will in a way that's not conforming to uh your appetite? Like because we maybe that's like an animal instinctual nature that we have some form of craving or desire of some some thing but our will is the faculty that determines if we're going to go forward in pursuit of that

1:37:01thing or not. And then so in being able to control our appetite of nature is that in doing so developing our will. — Yes. But you don't really want to think of it necessarily that way right out of the gate because a lot of it isn't going to look like this David Gogggins [ __ ] that's out there. You do not as as somebody who can barely [ __ ] control themselves and can barely admit that. You do not want to muscle through it. You do not want to muscle through it. You want to recognize your triggers and

1:37:32then you want to talk to yourself. Play the scenario out in your [ __ ] head. How does it end with the [ __ ] cheesecake? You got [ __ ] diarrhea. You got gas. You feel like an [ __ ] You're [ __ ] fat and flabby. You're tired. You're sick. You spent too much money. Play it out in your [ __ ] head. Play it out. Okay. And then understand why the [ __ ] do I want this? Why can't I say no? Seek to understand yourself. But the most important thing is that you just tell yourself no. That's it. You

1:37:59don't even have to sit there in the moment, right? Because a lot of it is strategies. A lot of it is coming up with You don't want to just go out there and be like, "Oh, [ __ ] French Krelller." Hm. No, you want to say, okay, I mean, I'm talking now as as an addict who's been through recovery. Yeah. And has I've been through this program. Oh, look, it's cocaine. Oh, look, it's whiskey, you know? Oh, look, it's [ __ ] mushrooms. You know, — I had to have a strategy for when I was

1:38:30in that position, what I would do. So, develop that strategy. But the most important part of your strategy is how you going to get out of there and say no. Okay? You don't have to think about it and philosophize and then go talk on Instagram about how hard it is to be doing shadow work. Put your [ __ ] phone down, you know, and focus on what matters. be a [ __ ] human, you know? And uh and that and that's the development of the will, but it it's not well cuz I'm thinking about like we have habitual

1:39:02patterns that we fall into. And that's sort of like allowing we're we're kind of, you know, if every day we we we have a desire that we want to eat a chocolate cookie and we know it's not good for us, but it tastes so good and we just get in a habit and it's just our daily routine. It's kind of like we're not allowing I don't know some I don't know if it'd be called the will like some higher aspect of oursel that can override and and make the right choice.

1:39:34— Well well you've got to I mean the whole the whole tradition that spawned the idea of the rational part of the soul also they were big on saying everything in moderation — is that the okay so then the rational part of the soul was what that would be kind of correspondent to. Yeah, it would. The thing is that there are multiple wills. We're, you know, it's like that cheesy [ __ ] meme. We contain multitudes for the most part. So, it's like whose will are we talking

1:40:00about? The appetite of soul has a will. The spirited — soul part of the soul has a will. — The rational. So, so you have to specifically develop the rational will, which means that you say, okay, we have these habituated patterns. Well, becoming aware of them, seeing them, that's the first step in making them no longer habituated, right? Because it's like Carl Carl Carl Gustaf Young said, he's like until you make the unconscious conscience, it will control your life and you will call it fate. So you is

1:40:32when you bring these things into consciousness is when it's like okay it's no longer a habit but there's still a pull but I will tell you if you keep if it remains habitual even though it's not you're now choosing it — and that means you're [ __ ] weak and it's okay. We're all weak somewhere with something but you got to admit I am [ __ ] weak. And so what you do is just like going to the gym work on it. You work on it, but you never ever stop. It's like the It's like the fire of the

1:41:02alchemist, right? It begins with a gentle heat and gradually gets more and more rapid or more intense. It's the same thing. You want to burn away that level of dross. Start with a little bit of heat and then which is willpower and then gradually intensify it. You're not going to be able to blast through it. It's going to exhaust you. You're going to fall off the wagon and you're going to be destroyed when that happens. And then you're not going to want to you're going to go and pro probably spiral. So,

1:41:31you know, and you need a support structure, you know, if you can find one. If not, — right, talk to God, you know, and talking about what you were saying earlier about this idea of, you know, needing to defer to to God. A lot of people say, "Well, God's nowhere in the Constitutions." Yeah, [ __ ] But it was somewhere more important in the hearts of the men who wrote the Constitution and ran the [ __ ] country. It is. It's The separation of church and state is [ __ ] static.

1:42:01You're not supposed to have them together on paper, but they got to it. God has to be here. — It's got to be here. It's And it's not We're not talking about a monoculture in terms of religion. We're just talking about faith in a higher [ __ ] power. I You've got vicious [ __ ] atheists, nihilists, soypists running the country. Running the countries. Yeah. — You know, what do you think about Justin Trudeau? That sack of [ __ ] horseshit with a heartbeat. Are you kidding me?

1:42:30You know, you think that guy — Yeah, exactly. He's the He's the American version. He's like a [ __ ] used car salesman. Okay. But but worse, you know, and those people, their god is them. Gavin Newsome's god is Gavin [ __ ] Newsome. You know, that can't happen. And so, you need some level of religion. any any anything unsanctified by God is doomed to fail. In the Golden Dawn, we say, "Except Adon and I keep the house, their labor is lost that built it." Except

1:43:04Adon and I watch the city or except Adon and I keep the city, the watchman waketh in vain. In Freemasonry, we say uh um no man should enter into any greater important undertaking without invoking the blessings of the most high or invoking the blessings of deity. So no, no undertaking, no undertaking, not a single one should happen without first invoking the blessings of God. Keeping God first, keeping God in your heart, you know? So, and that's how you that's how you do this, too. Because at first,

1:43:38to be honest with you, man, it's not about the will. It's about the why. — That's how you That's how you break this [ __ ] down. I didn't decide one day to get off [ __ ] drugs because I wanted to strengthen my will. I I decided to get off of drugs because I didn't want to [ __ ] die. That was my why. Okay? So, you've got to focus on the why. — That would be like I would say, "Well, why didn't you want to die?" And then you would say, "Well, because I had the

1:44:01will to live." — Well, technically, I did want to die. But the thing is that I felt because that's you have a death wish when you're doing drugs and doing that kind of [ __ ] and but really what happened, you know, it's a long story, but I felt like a [ __ ] coward because I watched my best friend die of a heroin overdose on my 30th birthday, and I watched hundreds of people mourn him and lives irreparably rent in half. damage that it did. — All the damage. All the damage. I

1:44:37thought to myself, my god, what a [ __ ] selfish piece of [ __ ] I've been because I hate myself. And um and then immediately just turned to God. I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing. I have no idea what I'm doing. I willingly give all of myself to you. I said that one day. I'll never forget where I was — or when I said it. I willingly give myself up to you. So, please do what you want with me because I'm [ __ ] done with me. I've destroyed me. And would you consider when we talk about becoming

1:45:05human and all of that uh would that be kind of going beyond human like connecting with or saying allowing not your will but God's will to act through you? — Exactly. Not unto us Adonai but unto thee. — That's not that's the non nois. Not unto me be not my will be done. Not unto me be the glory. — You know that that's the whole I mean that's the secret of the adept. And I could see why I understand uh there's like an uncomfortability thing there with I think for a lot of people it's like if

1:45:49they don't have um a clear conception of their what it means to to connect with God or or their definition of what God is because I don't know most of the people that I know that have a struggle with these things have some kind of thing where they have felt hurt in their past by a form of Christianity usually cuz we grow up in the western world and then they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater turn the opposite direction and not trust any of it. So they kind of backtrack and um do you see like any other

1:46:31patterns with personalities and their resistance to these sort of things? — Yeah, absolutely. They're [ __ ] children and it's okay. But, you know, I think normally in a in a in a pre, you know, merger of state and corporate power America, u pre-mass media America, people would have just gotten older, spent more time with their elders, spent more time in contemplation and and having to give themselves to the serious duties of raising a family and and and caring for a home and caring for their

1:47:08loved ones. that eventually [ __ ] grow up. But now you have this little [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] monkey, half monkey, half toddler on your back screaming into your ear, "Don't trust that. I don't never grow up." You know, FOMO, [ __ ] you, Hawkua. You know, all this [ __ ] horseshit, you know, that's just grafted into our little [ __ ] pea brains. And we're just like, "Yeah, it's like the Matrix when he's got the thing stuck in his head." It's the [ __ ] media. It's

1:47:37a mass media. Now, if you don't [ __ ] believe that, if you think you're better than that, you think you're smarter than that, then I laugh in your [ __ ] face because you either see the programming or you're programmed. — I mean, it's in the word. It's something that's gone viral. I mean, it's like a virus almost. — Exactly. Exactly. It is. It is a [ __ ] virus. And that's the way it's the the whole tilos behind it is to get ideas to spread like viruses quickly and

1:48:04diffusely. It's the whole purpose of the mass media is to get one [ __ ] idea, whether it's right, whether it's wrong, whether it's based in any truth or not, to just completely take over so that while that's happening, — we can go and do this X, Y, and Z, you know, and and and it doesn't even matter. We'll, you know, hey, [ __ ] it. Put Fouchy in jail. Take the Quomos and send him to some sort of [ __ ] island. We don't care. We did what we had to do. Y'all are sick. We made a ton of money.

1:48:32You We don't [ __ ] care. Why? Because you're [ __ ] viral. — Yeah, — we got we got you to go viral. You're little [ __ ] cells to us. That's all you are. You're just little cells. And when we send something down the [ __ ] pipe, it like a paper towel, it just wicks through the population. It just wicks like a [ __ ] cotton shirt just wicks. Um and and uh and that's that's [ __ ] where we're at, man. And I mean, one of the greatest things is, okay, I've been studying the

1:49:02catalus lately. they have been taking a private student through it. So it's one of the Platonic dialogues that's a part of the EAMIN curriculum of the dialogues that you know the neoplatonic theoric school required um everybody to go through or at least suggested uh these 12 out of 35 of Plato's dialogues and with you know each one really there I think they more likely according to Olympiadoris they're in pairs so there's like really six virtues um according to the dialogues so that

1:49:37you'd have two dialogues per virtue and you know the goal is not just to understand the virtue but to acquire it um and so I'm going through these and the catalus is like you know most people kind of roll their eyes it's very tedious talks about names and how do we name things what but the most interesting thing is that the catalus is almost the key it's the esoteric key it's just most people can't [ __ ] read it — they don't understand what he's paying but it's the key to the whole [ __ ]

1:50:05system and one of the things that he shows the whole thing is about it's about names right ostensibly on the surface level it's about names these two guys crowdus and Hermogynes are arguing over you know is it Hermogynes is a relativist he says yes names contain truth but it's whatever truth we want because we just assign names and thenrus says well there's an inherent truth to the name to the particular name and Socrates kind of again triangulates. He says no no or he says yes and yes and

1:50:44uh really saying no. He's disproving their theories and he's forming that third triangulating point. But one of the first things that he does is he begins to address the type of person that believes in relativism. And he does that by asking Hermogynes what he thinks about people. and Hermogynes who's a relativist and says h whatever we you know it is it's us it's really it's really Plato — how did they define relativism — is it like — well that's that's our word for it

1:51:15— okay if I think of relativism I think of uh well I I'm comparing X in relation to Y that's my relative perceptual field of — that I I mean that's that's just comparison. That's just comp comparison and contrasting. — Um relativism as a philosophical position is right. We say moral relativism, right? Meaning it can change depending on it. It has no inherent meaning. Like so they would say um depending on your — uh circumstances, one circumstance might lend to something

1:52:01being moral while the other circumstance might lend to something being immoral based on your circumstance because it's relative, — right? Which is right. Which is complete [ __ ] — In in this case, they'd say, "Hey, [ __ ] this lighter is blue, but Ike thinks it's brown." So for Ike, it's brown. Good. have fun. Socrates says, "Are you [ __ ] dumb?" You know, basically, he says, "If two people can't agree on something, then they don't know

1:52:31anything about it." If a group of people cannot agree on a subject or a thing, then they don't truly have any knowledge of it. And he points to this idea of the hidden factor in in morativism. There's a hidden underlying subconscious agenda. Not an agenda put out there by a group of people. Well, probably now, but back then it was more of a subconscious motivation that if everything means whatever it means to whoever it means, no one can be wiser than anyone else. So it removes the power dynamic and

1:53:12thereby removes my Socrates puts it this way. The people who are qualified to name things are the nomises the rulemakers. They're qualified because they use we use words as tools. And these nomites, these people who are qualified in naming things are the craftsmen, the crafts people who know how to use that tool. And a lot of people don't like thinking that they're wrong. It's not even so much that it's like, I don't want to admit that you're right. I don't want to admit that I'm wrong. I don't

1:53:56want to admit that I'm the one who's not qualified. I don't want to admit that I'm not good enough. So, I will remove the ability for anyone to be smarter, wiser, or have more skill in anything than me because I [ __ ] say so. That's what relativism is. And Socrates really shows this. He brings it out in Hermogynes, who's really this whiny [ __ ] prick. And he's just he really he uses it to attack the Protagorean axiom. Man is the measure of all things. That's really what he's doing. He's

1:54:24using this whole dialogue. The tilos is to address Protagoras's famous quote, "Man is the measure of all things." And he's saying that's relativistic sophistry. It has no place in serious intellectual uh philosophical or spiritual dialogue. Get it out of your [ __ ] head. And here's why. And he triangulates and he ends up pointing to essentialism, the reality of essences. He points to you want to know what why this thing is true? Don't look at the person you know don't

1:54:55look at relativism don't look at uh you know even the inherent uh properties of the thing itself look to the ideal from which by which it is informed. So he's pointing he does it in like two sentences at the end of the dialogue but he basically says if you want to know anything about truth you have to get to the ideals the the platonic ideals the platonic realm of forms. Um, and and yeah, I I agree entirely. I say it all the time. I'm a platonic realist living in an arisatilian nominalist world.

1:55:32— That's really interesting. I want to check that out. Um, so I could wrap my mind around it better. But that's awesome. Uh, maybe you could just say one more time. I want to hear you say the part on what constitutes being a human and then we could wrap it up. — Well, so according to the Platonic philosophy of the tripartite nature of the soul. There are three and soul is they didn't call it soul just right psyche that's the word that we translate as soul but where do we see

1:56:06psyche in psychology which is a study of what's going on in here the interior and the exterior selves and in a lot of ways this is what the Greeks thought the soul was that that sense of selfhood that individuality that is above and beyond and survives and animates and should govern the physical the physical body. So they believe that they had three aspects or ways ways in which it behaved having been put or bound into a material body right the platonic paradox of sa the body is the tomb of the soul and so it's

1:56:46it's stuck here and it has to learn how to operate this [ __ ] machinery being pulled constantly by the necessities and predilctions of the animal material body which consistently force it often times to move in a direction which is counter to its nature. Right? The soul is higher. It is effervescent. It is continuous. It is not subject to death. It does it does not inherit death and nothing that it imparts uh has to do with death. It is a part of the deathless, the timeless, the transcended. Yet it is in a body that

1:57:25dies and is subject to all these material changes. Our body is part of this matrix that is constantly in flux going from birth, growth, apex, decay, death. Okay, that's not the eternity. We come from the changeless, you know, ever living eternity. Uh because now we're subject to time. Time makes it so that things change, right? Time. That's all time is. It's just it's a way for human beings to to recognize and talk about and think about change. Um but in reality there's just an everpresent now.

1:58:04So the soul having this confounding experience behaves in different ways. Uh it has different modes of behavior and the the ancient plenist classified them into three types of behavior or compulsions really. Um the the bottom two. So the the lowest is the appetitive. It has appetites. It has strong desires, impulses, sex, food, survival. The limbic brain, right? The reptile brain. Um that when people act on it, it's greed and it's oppression and it's injustice oftentimes. The second part just higher than that is

1:58:52the spirited which has to do with strong emotions. Um anger things that kind of pull you out of center. Uh they're reactionary. It is a reactionary. So one is compulsive, the other is reactionary. In other words, the compulsive, the appetitive is like it's just a matter of time before you need to eat. That's you're you're stuck. You're on this [ __ ] Mario. On the other hand, you could go for months without getting angry. It's reactive. It's based on something that triggers it.

1:59:28Then the third and the highest part is the rational soul. I don't mean rational in terms of like, you know, sitting there like people do being, you know, pretending that they're [ __ ] sleuths on YouTube detectives trying to think about what the news the new conspiracy is. that's that's not being rational. Um, and also it's not the it's not the, you know, that that very, I guess, perhaps quintessentially masculine coldness that's like, you know, stop crying, behave rationally. It's not that

1:59:59either, right? Because that's our word. Their word was loisticon having to do with divine order. the part of the soul that is capable of imparting order due order in this [ __ ] up world, right? Because if we leave it to the appetitive, if we leave it to the material, if we leave it to the spirited, if we leave it to anger, there's no order. It's just a matter of time before everything [ __ ] breaks down. So the rational, the logisticon is really the ordering part of the soul. And it only makes sense that the

2:00:32ordering part of the soul should be the governor. It should be the guy who makes the decisions. And — so the Plleonists believe that in order for a human being to be considered just, balanced, truly human, and not anim animalistic, the lower two parts of the soul, the part that was appetitive and the part that was spirited, had to willingly consent to be ruled by the higher. willing consent there is very very important because that means like I said in the beginning don't you can't muscle

2:01:07it the the rational part of the self can't [ __ ] force the other two to behave those parts of the self have to say take the wheel I give up you know show us what is best — that's fascinating yeah and this whole time meanwhile we have everything in our modern day society trying to lend towards those lower parts and stifle about that higher rationality. — Oh yeah. — Wow. — Oh yeah. Because the minute that that ordering self wakes up, it realizes it realizes I must sacrifice myself to put to make

2:01:45this situation right. And when we make that decision, when we make the decision to give up our comforts, as hard as as it is, maybe even our loved ones, when we make that decision because we know it's the right thing to do and that's the right choice is the only choice, that's when they're [ __ ] — Beautiful. Thank you. Yeah. — Any last words? — Any last words? God bless you. Um, thank you. It's it's a pleasure. Uh, we need to chat more casually uh sometime soon.

2:02:26— Definitely. All right. Well, uh, thank you all for listening and um, yep. We will see you next time.