Transcript passage · Unknown · 2:34
Relevant chapter: Kabbalah with a K, a C and a Q
talking about?" So I may have to I may have to, you know, >> that's probably a good starting point. Maybe you can kind of just like delineate maybe like Cabala with a K versus Kabala with a Q versus Cabala with a C. Uh maybe you can kind of just like give the rundown on on the a few of the different systems and then we can go from there. >> Yeah. So, uh, right, as you mentioned, there's Cabala with a K, there's a Cabala with a C, there's a Cabala with a Q, and they
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 59:57
Relevant chapter: Introduction to Kabbalah and pathworking
um uh any other notes on Raymond Lul that you wanted to throw out there before we move on? >> Um don't confuse him with Will William Lily because I'm pretty sure I did that for like five years. So >> All right. Well, all right. Cobalistic pathworking. Um the Caboa cobalistic path working amazing obviously huge gigantic thing within esotericism. Um so I'm aware of the cabala and the tree of life to a degree and somewhat aware of the conception of its sepharotic nature these spheres uh or
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:00:34
Relevant chapter: Introduction to Kabbalah and pathworking
emanations and so on. And in my current conception, it seems to be like a fractal architecture like perhaps on a a grand uh macrocosmic level. The tree exists and then uh to our light or spiritual body as above so below like a mirror image or fractal counterpart representation. Uh it's kind of embedded within our being kind of cloaked in this physical vessel. Uh so I kind of think about it like this pure crystalline light form um sparks of sufferic divinity you know coated in Maya or the illusion of our
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 1:01:16
Relevant chapter: Introduction to Kabbalah and pathworking
physical makeup and uh as I say in the you know like coated with that materiality. Uh so like the word illusion in regards to the body it can seem probably a little bit counterintuitive and to you know a lot of people cuz we think like this is a very physical real probably for some people it's like the most real thing. Um, so yeah, like uh I've really come to think of what we call physicality as the manifested interactive tangible result made by the creative potentization of maybe mind forces held
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 6:48
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
socio-political milieu of that time and place yeah yeah now I will say oh go ahead I'm sorry no no go ahead I will say that as far as historical evidence for the translation of Christ's name into yaheshua seems to come more from more directly from the work of a um a Renaissance capitalist named an academic scholar um Giannis ricklin and he wrote he was of the line of Christian capitalists uh you know uh Pico de la mirandula and athanasius kircher um guys like this uh so uh Giannis rooklin he wrote a a very
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 7:35
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
influential book on the Christian Kabbalah called the Wonder working word and it was about Christ and it's really from that text that particularly modern occult systems curriculumed orders they derive that like in modernism and in you know uh the inner order of the of the of the Golden Dawn they're deriving Yeshua hey in Hebrew from Johannes and and that work to my knowledge um this was something that took me a while to figure out right because I kind of worked my way backwards I started out
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 8:16
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
as a practitioner I didn't start out as an academic um so I had to find out where is this coming from symbolically it makes a tremendous amount of sense as the fire of shin sort of rending the veil of materiality it's a very very Gnostic idea there right you have the the demiurge um according to valentinian sethian and basilidian forms you know martianite forms of gnosticism being the god of the Old Testament uh who's you know ineffable name was a formula you know yodehay vave that we render is Yahweh
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 8:55
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
they never spoke that name you know they either say Adonai meaning Lord or Hashem meaning the name um but Hebrews you know uh particularly practicing Christ Hebrews they never ordered that name you know um and so as a as symbolic as it's called the the tetragrammaton which it translates to the four-lettered name four letters um representing the four terrestrial elements and then you have the shin you have Shin which represents fire and spiritual fire descending being placed in the center of those four elements
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 9:34
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
sort of rending away out of materiality so that's uh that was kind of this Exposition um that is derived from uh verbo uh midifical or the Wonder working word by Johannes I am not necessarily a hundred percent so one thing to remember is that these guys weren't like you know they're not like me they weren't like me sitting here in like this room that they've you know this library that they put together in their house and uh kind of piecing this stuff together as some sort of
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 10:17
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
independent researcher they were um within the mainstream of the academic institutions of their time and so there was an academic treaty right because this is around the 1500s um there is academic tradition that comes from these pioneering academics right I mean if you look at one thing it's like the educated people of that time were all clergy they're all clergy so there was no secular kind of like hey wait a minute it's all every all their work is based in in in in Christian judeo-christian
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 10:54
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
theology all of it is based there it is centered there they approach everything through that lens particularly of the uh medieval and Renaissance iteration of Christianity you know Orthodox and and particularly Catholic Christianity and they're the academic mainstream there is nothing else nothing else competes with them there is no independent research so from that tradition kind of it just stems Force it's taken for granted yes yes this is a sound philosophy yes it's Yeshua at a certain
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 11:29
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
point you have a break of you know a break with religious and secular uh um scholarship now we have the Seminary and we also have the secular uh universities so it's kind of after that split after a while you know I want to say maybe mid mid 20th century you start seeing this push to reassess the translation of of Christ's name um and again a lot of it comes from a let's look for the historical Jesus perspective whereas that might not have always been the spirit in which certain academics had worked so they
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 12:18
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
were confined they were confined to only you know it's like the the institution which within which they operated right the church under the auspices of the official Church gave them pretty a pretty wide breadth as long as you don't say these things you don't violate these rules I happen to think that the Christian capitalists in you know looking back to particularly athanasius kircher Pico de la mirandola looking back to the Egyptian roots of the judaic Theology and cosmology from which
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 13:01
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
Christianity um grew forth you know they kind of examining that that's really the birth of modern esotericism let's go back to Egypt to see what they were talking about and see how it comes forth and and and and really the usage of the lineal Glyph of the kabbalistic Tree of Life to sort of graft everything onto it's very esoteric so I'm not you know we can't we can only speculate as to the spirit um in which these academics and early esotericists worked in you know we don't
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Transcript passage · Sky Mathis & Ike Baker · 13:42
Relevant chapter: Christian Kabbalah and the pentagrammaton
know if yeah maybe they maybe they looked at it more symbolically and but they just weren't allowed to voice that opinion um on the other hand it's very clear they feel very strong about uh the idea of the Christ and the the supremacy of that new testament dispensation so um those are my thoughts on the name of Christ I'm not certain if the Jesuits were behind that push I will say that the Jesuits are more within historically have been and and still are within the um the Seminary milieu of theological
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 22:17
Relevant chapter: Kabbalah, Merkavah & Platonic Parallels
first centuries BCE in Alexandria. We have the Septuagen translation from around then we have the Merka which is Jewish the that's exactly what it is right um the the the rabbis the mystics going into vision you know in the chariot and starting here and going up towards the Agdoad right they're passing the seven planetary spheres and at each one is an archon that's trying to stop them and then you have to keep going until you pass beyond the realm of the agdoad into the unknown. It's [ __ ]
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 22:57
Relevant chapter: Kabbalah, Merkavah & Platonic Parallels
Platonism. >> Damn. >> Cabala is the same thing. Laurianic Cabala is the Ogdoad. It's the same concepts. That's the whole thing. Like this is why I get ang like frustrated with with this scholastic academic. They can't see the forest for the trees. There's something very very like concretely real here that is being transmitted. It's one [ __ ] thing wearing different clothes >> 100%. Damn. And it and it's also a lot about I mean it reminds me too of like
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 22:05
Relevant chapter: What Kabbalah Is & Esoteric Exegesis
pertaining to um uh magic but uh other good examples right the cabalistic books. So people say and I've said it I'm taking it back. I'm correcting myself. People say that Cabala is Hebrew mysticism. It is not. Um if Cabala is anything because it's not unified. There are many different schools of thought. There it's a method of esoteric exigesis. Exugesis is interpretation of a text. Um, and so it's usually in a critical way, but but it's it's less critical and it's more um
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 22:51
Relevant chapter: What Kabbalah Is & Esoteric Exegesis
well, you've got in Hebrew tradition, they I'm not going to go through the Hebrew names for all of them, but they've got four different levels or layers of understanding. You know, there's the the the the uh the the the the letter of the law, you know, which is like um what it says. So, it's like, okay, Exodus was uh when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. Um, and you've you've got to have that. And then there's a second thing that's kind of there's a second layer that's well,
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 23:27
Relevant chapter: What Kabbalah Is & Esoteric Exegesis
there's some word play here. There's some allegorories. And I think the word is like it it actually alludes to like hint. That word means like hint. So, there's there's like this illusion. That's the second. It's it's suggestive in an allegorical manner or some entailing some kind of word play. That's the second level. The third level here we have dlash which is the actual form of uh extended commentary, extended lore. And then the fourth and the highest level is um the secret.
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 23:59
Relevant chapter: What Kabbalah Is & Esoteric Exegesis
you know, this is the this is the that equates to I think the word is sod and it equates specifically to the esoteric and that's where we get the cabala from is that fourth level of of uh uh of understanding of these texts um and it's it is extremely esoteric but it's a system it's a method of examining Hebrew scripture uh esoterically um things like the the tree of life as we get it like it's not that didn't come till way later. Um, and you've got like the saffets era. Okay, very much based
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 29:21
Relevant chapter: Zohar, Moses de León & Lurianic Kabbalah
would have fit right in there with that theoric um you know uh movement that later really gets brought to its apex by amlicus in in uh I think the fourth or fifth century see but um >> so then you've got the Zohar which is kind of remarkable in that it was pseudonmously attributed to a first century rabbi Shimeon Benai but really we kind of think it was written by Moses de Leon because he was the first one to publicize it and then there are two rabbis I forget their names one rabbi is
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 29:58
Relevant chapter: Zohar, Moses de León & Lurianic Kabbalah
writing in reference to the works of another one who says that when he visited the wife of Moses deleon who was another rabbi in in Spain um when he visited the wife and the daughter of of him. They confessed that uh no, he he wrote this and attributed it to Shimmy and Benai because he said it would bring us, you know, prestige and profit. Um but again, you know, we don't really know who wrote it or we know that its first publication was in the 1500s in Italy. So, um so, so there's that. I
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Transcript passage · Unknown · 48:18
Relevant chapter: Kabbalah as Archetypal Blueprint
that I mean that's the difference between Goatia and Theodoria. >> Got a few different wonderments. Um okay so in terms of cabala what it is at least early on kabala largely a method of exigesis of the text that you had said or like what about like an interpretation or an organizational archetypal blueprint of reality like prior to the text things were oral right um >> that's the claim. Yeah. >> And like depicting these apparent aspects of God or reality like we have other models and things
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